Reconciling Two

Dave G said:

For me it was Ephesians 1, Romans 8 and 2 Thessalonians 2

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Dave G said:

That's when I found that people like me are often associated with the teachings of some guy named John Calvin;

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Dave G said:

In my experience, there's nothing quite like ignoring everything one's been taught by men, taking it all back to Scripture and simply trusting the Lord to do the teaching.

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Blank said:

What was it in 2Thes-2? that aided in turning you?

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Often, my pre-trib rapture friends use it to bolster their case.

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I still hold out on their view of the Sacraments (along with Lutherans baptismal regeneration)

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Blank said:

Here are two passages I have trouble with, how would you reconcile them?

2 Peter 3:9 (KJV) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Matthew 11:25 (KJV) At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

If God is not willing that any perish, why does He hide certain things from certain people?
What is the best explanation without there being a contradiction on God's part?

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Dave G said:

Which part of 2 Thessalonians 2...this one?

" Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,
2 that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. "

Hmm...."except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition".
This passage tells me that first the man of sin is revealed, and after that the Lord comes again.

To me, that agrees exactly with what the Lord said in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 when He says that first will come the abomination of desolation where Anti-Christ will be revealed, sitting in the temple of God claiming to be God...
Then the Tribulation, then Christ comes again.

The only thing not mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2 is the tribulation...otherwise the order is exactly the same.
So, I don't see anywhere in 2 Thessalonians 2 that a person could arrive at a Pre-Trib second coming, if read carefully.

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Dave G said:

"hold out on"?
As in "hold to", or disagree with?

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Dave G said:

"But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. " ( 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 ).

My last post which Brightfame was told didn't say that people were chosen to salvation before the foundation of the world by another member in this thread.

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37818 said:

The short answer. 2 Peter 3:9 gives reasons for Matthew 11:25.
Also Proverbs 3:7, . . . Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, . . .

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