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The Bible Teaches that Repentance and Faith are Gifts from God.

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Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
You showing that you are calling Jesus Christ a failure. Its His responsibility to save who God wants saved. Didnt He come to save that which was lost ? Lk 19:10 Are these the Father desires to be saved in 1 Tim 2:4

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Are they part of them that are Lost that He come to save Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
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Christ is not a failure BF your view is.

Your post # 88
"Its on Christ to save all whom the Father wants to be saved. What did the Father send the Son to do ? Lk 19:10
10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Was He successful ? Did He seek and save all God wants to be saved ? Yes or No"


Did Christ seek all that God wants to be saved YES, did all get saved NO.

Why were not all saved BF?

Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Christ accomplished what the father sent Him to do, save those who would freely trust in Him for their salvation.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
BF you are jumping from what you posited that all Israel, the nation, Act 5:31 would be saved, which is not true. To all Israel, those of the same faith as Abraham, will be saved Rom 11:26, which is true.

This shows why you have made so many logical errors in your thinking.
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You love to run to the word all like in Jn 12:32 so what does Paul mean when he says "so ALL Israel shall be saved" Rom 11:26

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Does all mean all ? lol
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
@Silverhair



So when God gives repentance to an individual its by New Birth, so when a person repents towards God and Faith in Christ Acts 20:21

21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

They were born again. We cant repent towards God and have Faith toward Christ unless born again
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BF you continue to ignore what the the bible says and reverse the order of salvation so it fits your errant religious view. Even the verse you quoted, Act 20:21, does not help your case.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

What did Paul teach
1] repentance toward God
2] faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ

ph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

I am sorry that you have been mislead to trust the calvinist dogma rather than the word of God. You are following a pagan philosophy from the 4th century.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
BF you continue to ignore what the the bible says and reverse the order of salvation so it fits your errant religious view. Even the verse you quoted, Act 20:21, does not help your case.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

What did Paul teach
1] repentance toward God
2] faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ

ph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

I am sorry that you have been mislead to trust the calvinist dogma rather than the word of God. You are following a pagan philosophy from the 4th century.
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Repentance, a change of mind towards God is by means of the New Birth. Did you know that the New Birth/regeneration is a Gift.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
You love to run to the word all like in Jn 12:32 so what does Paul mean when he says "so ALL Israel shall be saved" Rom 11:26

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Does all mean all ? lol
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You are sounding desperate BF.

Do you not believe that Christ would draw all mankind to Himself through the cross? Jn 12:32

To all Israel, ALL those of the same faith as Abraham, will be saved Rom 11:26, which is true.

You continue to pull out of context verses in the attempt to support your failed views.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
You are sounding desperate BF.

Do you not believe that Christ would draw all mankind to Himself through the cross? Jn 12:32

To all Israel, ALL those of the same faith as Abraham, will be saved Rom 11:26, which is true.

You continue to pull out of context verses in the attempt to support your failed views.
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So it doesnt mean all Israel individually without exception correct ?
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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So when it says all Israel shall be saved its q conditional promise correct, ? they might be saved if they believe. Is that what you saying ?
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That is what the bible teaches BF.

Why do you dance around the truth so much BF. Is it that hard for you to just trust what God has said?

Rom 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob.

Rom 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Rom 3:29 Is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too,
Rom 3:30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised {Jews} by faith and the uncircumcised {Greeks} through that same faith.

Rom_5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom_5:2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.

Eph_2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

So as the bible tells us BF, all Israel will be saved, the sons of Abraham by faith.
Gal 3:7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
That is what the bible teaches BF.

Why do you dance around the truth so much BF. Is it that hard for you to just trust what God has said?

Rom 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob.

Rom 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Rom 3:29 Is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too,
Rom 3:30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised {Jews} by faith and the uncircumcised {Greeks} through that same faith.

Rom_5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom_5:2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.

Eph_2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

So as the bible tells us BF, all Israel will be saved, the sons of Abraham by faith.
Gal 3:7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham.
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So you teaching that an unconditional promise to save all Israel, as prophesied Isa 45:17,25

But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

You making it conditional and by doing that you saying all doesnt mean all without exception, because making it conditional it cant be sure to all the seed of Israel. Wonder if some of Israel doesnt meet the condition ?
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
So you teaching that an unconditional promise to save all Israel, as prophesied Isa 45:17,25

But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

25 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

You making it conditional and by doing that you saying all doesnt mean all without exception, because making it conditional it cant be sure to all the seed of Israel. Wonder if some of Israel doesnt meet the condition ?
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NO BF that is not what the bible teaches and if you actually studied and believed the bible then you would know that.

Salvation is conditional on one's faith in God. And if you had actually read what I posted you would also know that but as usual you do not read posts.

You are being willfully ignorant BF. You refuse to actually believe what the bible says.

You are not seeking truth just compliance with your twisted view of scripture.

It is either you do not have the ability to understand clear biblical texts or you have chosen to ignore them.

Rom 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the law.
Rom 3:29 Is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too,
Rom 3:30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised {Jews} by faith and the uncircumcised {Greeks} through that same faith.

Rom_5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Rom_5:2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.

Eph_2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

So as the bible tells us BF, all Israel will be saved, the sons of Abraham by faith.
Gal 3:7 Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham.
 
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Brightfame52

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The unregenerate, who are in the flesh still, have no right to or no command to repent. All while in the flesh as natural men are bound to the Law, to do the whole Law as it was with Adam. So any command for men to repent as say in Acts 17:30

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Its to the regenerate, who through the work of Christ and the Holy Spirit have been freed to be married to another. Rom 7:1-3

Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Now its only through the death of Christ for an individual are they free from the dominion of the law, however its a secret as who it is Christ died until born again by the Spirit. So even the unregenerate elect for whom Christ died, are bound to do the law. Until they are regenerate, the command to repent isn't for the unregenerate elect. All natural men are bound to and under the dominion of the Law.
 
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Again Christ gives repentance as the risen Saviour Acts 5:30-31

30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Two Gifts of the risen Saviour, that come from/out of Him are Repentance and Forgiveness of sins.

Now Jesus Himself commands that these things be preached in His Name, because they flow from Him Lk 24:46-47

Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Neither repentance nor forgiveness of sins have their source in man, but in Christ and His finished work ! 1
 
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