Questions About Predestination

canadyjd said:

You are describing human will, which is influenced by many factors.

When a person is confronted with several alternatives, they will chose the option they desire the most at that moment in time.

Can we agree on that?

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Not necessarily. They may desire to run away from danger,eg a fire, but will run into the fire to save someone.

That is free will in action. Making a choice between different possible courses of action
And that is why when presenting the gospel message to a group some will choose to reject God and others will choose to trust in Him.

canadyjd said:

It is clearly taught. Your inability to comprehend, or more likely, willful rejection to what is clearly taught, doesn’t mean it’s not clearly taught.

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Odd that for something supposedly clearly taught in scripture it had to be brought into the church from pagan philosophy in the 4th century.

Your DoG/TULIP stands in opposition to the word of God. The fact you cannot not see this is shocking.

canadyjd said:

Are you able to articulate what you mean by “free will” or not? Do you believe the human will is “free” from any influence, whether internal or external?

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You know what we mean by "free will" you just want to argue as you always do.

Twisting and turning what's said is your game!

Silverhair said:

That is not what free will means @canadyjd.

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I wasn’t talking to you

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Charlie24 said:

You know what we mean by "free will" you just want to argue as you always do.

Twisting and turning what's said is your game!

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I do know what it means. Are you able to articulate what you believe “free will” means or not?

For something to be “free” there must be no interference.

I am free to dunk a basketball anytime I have the chance. I am limited by my natural ability to jump high enough. Gravity and natural ability interferes with my desires.

The human will is enslaved to sin according the Apostle Paul in Romans. Paul literally says we are enslaved by sin. Sin interferes with our desires.

Jesus says if we sin we are a slave to sin. If the Son sets you free you are free indeed.

Please just think about what you mean by “free will”. Don’t just fall into the rut of regurgitating “God doesn’t want robots” which doesn’t address the issue of what scripture actually teaches.

Peace to you

Silverhair said:

Not necessarily. They may desire to run away from danger,eg a fire, but will run into the fire to save someone.

That is free will in action. Making a choice between different possible courses of action
And that is why when presenting the gospel message to a group some will choose to reject God and others will choose to trust in Him.

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That is exactly the difference in our understanding of salvation. You think the difference in whether someone accepts or rejects the gospel is human “free will”.

I believe the difference is God.

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canadyjd said:

I wasn’t talking to you

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Were told to correct our brothers when they have a false understanding @canadyjd. Just doing that by pointing out your error.

canadyjd said:

That is exactly the difference in our understanding of salvation. You think the difference in whether someone accepts or rejects the gospel is human “free will”.

I believe the difference is God.

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Only God saves @canadyjd.
The difference between us is that you think you were so special that He picked you out prior to creation before you even believed and I choose to believe the bible when it tells us that when we hear the gospel message and believe it then God saves us.

God gave us a free will and that is why we are held responsible for the choices we make.

So the difference is calvinist determinism or biblical free will.