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I agree, it's for another thread. But believe and be saved is a problem for those who believe in be saved then believe.

Hi Allen I'm saying that "begun in the Spirit" is the result of receiving the indwelling. That results in a lot of things. One of them is being born again. Phil. 1:6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you (by the Spirit that you received as a result of...

Romans 10:9-13 seems to be putting emphasis on the initial belief, and adds confess with your mouth. Ephesians 1:13-14 comes to mind. We believe, and the Holy Spirit is given. The seal of our inheritance. Per the OP, it is at this point that I believe that the "Author and Finisher" of our...

Here's the Church in the making. Really cool. Ephesians 2:11-22 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh--who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands-- that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of...

Exactly, and amen. It's Jesus doing the baptizing, and the Holy Spirit is the Agent of that 'placing into'. Everybody who is a Christian did receive the Holy Spirit indwelling as a result of their faith. So we know that every believer, even today, has been baptized/placed into/immersed by Jesus...

@Christforums Sorry I didn't flag you when I replied.

Hey Rob When we think of a believers initial belief, and then the ongoing faith in that same individual, do you think that we could make the conclusion that while they are the same, they are distinct?

Interesting. He does use "faith" once in 1 John 5:4. This seems to be speaking of the ongoing part. 1 Joh 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith. --------- Maybe this is the reason. Just throwing it out there...

There are some gifted to be teachers, for sure, but there are also false teachers. The Scriptures are to be the Judge, right? What do you think of these passages? John 10:37-38 seems to be taking a James position of intellectual understanding. While the next two take that same intellectual...

The reason I'm asking is because the faith that is called "not from the flesh", and "a gift from God" where Jesus is the "Author and Finisher" always seems to be speaking of the ongoing, and not the initial faith. Romans 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith...

Lets start here. Jesus is the Church. It's a spiritual body. Jesus always existed, thus the Church always existed, BUT, we call Pentecost the birth of the Church because that the first believers placed into that spiritual Body, the one True Church, Jesus. This is why it's called "in Christ" in...

Hi Alan. We receive the Holy Spirit as a result of faith. That receiving of the Holy Spirit is what makes us born again. These are two different things. First believe, then receive. What we receive is 100% from the Spirit, not the will of the flesh. That includes all the life that results from...

Being born again and born from above, same thing. I see no difference and either way the term is used It has no effect on my theology. Sinclair Ferguson noted in that same series, that it's a common mistake putting too much emphasis on the covenants, which he said, "could unintentionally...

Hades simply means realm of the spirits. Since the NT was translated into Greek, Hades was the word that best described Sheol from the OT. The idea of Hades comes from Sheol in the OT, not Greek mythology. In short, OT Sheol is translated Hades in the NT. I've always said that Satan loves to...

@Eternally Grateful @kyredneck @Brightfame52 @Dave G @Alan Dale Gross I wanted to recommend Sinclair Ferguson and a 13 part you-tube series that he did on the Holy Spirit. While I disagree with his belief that OT believers were born again, (he never gave a reason why he believed that), I...

No, I ate them. ;) But on a more serious note. The word 'baptize' in Scripture means to place into, to immerse into, and to dip into. The word baptize describes an action. The agent of baptism, or the baptizer, are not part of the definition of that word. A common mistake that people make is to...

They still had to wait Romans 3:23-26 Paul said in Romans 8, we also who have the first fruits of the Spirit. (emphasis "firstfruits") Romans 8:23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the...

Hi Alan Thanks for the reply. Anyone who is a son of God is born again. That's what he's saying. The word "were" connects born again to sons of God. This does not mean that it's the cause of faith. It's like saying "...power to become sons of God, born again, not by..." And it is NOT of the...

Bright, with all due respect, I think that your answers are very flippant and not much thought goes into them. Flippant: lacking proper respect or seriousness Dave

Dave, "our" from that passage means the writer of Hebrews and those who he is speaking, or writing to. They "our" (pun intended) believers. "Faith" here means "life", or "salvation". You can see the same word used in Acts 3:15. You can compare all the translations if you like. The NKJV uses the...