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This thread is, as I consider it a safe zone. I will kindly disagree. I will say to all the Calvinists/Sovereign Grace, I'm not the enemy I just strongly disagree with your Doctrine. You are just as much saved as any of us by grace through faith in Christ.

I joke around from time to time saying that I'm a 1 point Calvinist. I believe man is totally depraved, Isaiah and Paul made that very clear. I reject the other 4 points as I see myself responsible before God for my actions, I chose of my own free will to believe and serve Him. It's obvious to...

God also foreknows if we we will have a true heart to repentance. As Peter said, "Repent therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out..."

I think it's very simple "what God foreknows about us that merits election." Rom. 4:3-5 "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not...

If you're not interested, then your not interested.

I totally agree with you here, EG.

Do you think it possible that the USA is the most powerful nation on earth, only by God's decree to protect Israel?

@KenH It is only by the power of the USA that Israel is possessing the land God gave them. Do you think it by chance or by the decree of the Almighty God that the 3 middle letters of Jerusalem are USA. Jer usa lem.

Jer. 30:32 The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying, "Thus speaketh the Lord God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book. For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith...

Why do you think the miracle of Israel becoming a nation again in 1948 took place, after almost 2000 years of being scattered all over the world? God has promised to save them, all of them!

Let's read the next verse Rom. 11:28 "As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes." The nation of Israel is God's chosen people and they are our enemies concernig the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as a nation they...

Yes, I can see how you could believe that. God is merciful and gracious to all of mankind, He strives with man knowing all will not accept Him. He pleaded with His Chosen, Israel for centuries, until they crucified their Christ. And still He is pleading with Israel to come to Him, but they...

Universal Restoration, those cultists that believe Hell is temporary and all eventually are accepted by God.

You are afraid of taking one page at a time and discuss it as I tried to do. I think you're lost in Romans and only know what your so called scholars have told you!

Nothing I say will be considered by you, I try and you place a roadblock, the signature of the TULIP dreamers.

Dave G, you cannot understand Rom. 9 without understanding the rest of Romans and put it together. I will say it again, the TULIP dreamers will only stick to a certain passage of Scripture they can manipulate. Exactly what you're doing here, as all of you do.

Rom. 11:25 "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

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Your not reading the context of what these verses are saying, you pick a verse and use it for your purpose without understanding what it's saying. You have the characteristics of the UR, the context doesn't matter.

We must settle who are "the children of promise counted for the seed" as Paul said before moving on, Dave G.