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Men have deceived you into thinking the Doctrines of Grace/Gospel of Grace started with men.

I dont know why you going in circles for,, man doesnt have freewill ability to believe in Jesus

lol God can be angry at His Children without them being vessels of wrath fitted for destruction. God gets angry with His favorites and chastises them out of Love. No, the elect being children of wrath, not children under wrath, because by nature they are just as worthy of wrath for their sins...

In Rom 9 you have two distinct groups God made, the vessels of wrath and the vessels of mercy, which one you think the elect belonged to ? Now both groups are sinners

You have trusted in the teachings of men,who deny the Gospel of Gods Grace.

Yeah but cant or cannot does, which terms squash the idea of man having the freewill ability to believe in Jesus, that's the point.

All of Gods Elect were lost sinners b4 conversion, but not vessels of wrath, they were always vessels of mercy

Tulip the doctrines of grace are most certainly Gospel Truths, yet you reject them, not good my friend.

Even though spiritually lost, and had a nature worthy of wrath, they were never actually under Gods wrath. Yes

I know so

Ive already discussed this

Yes sir because I cant tell what you trying to say

I didnt say anything close to that, this is twisting

In the mean time you reject the Gospel

You sounding more and more like you dont understand what you saying.

We didn't misunderstand Eph 2:1-3 and as I stated earlier, i dont believe you understand what you discussing, it has no rhythm to me.

Not when one lacks understanding

Sure you right

Yes that describes the elect in a spiritual lost condition by nature

Obvious you lack understanding