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Of course you are a Catholic, wrapped up in ceremonies and the adding of works to the finished work of Christ. You will not accept what I have shown you, you can't, it takes away from the works you love that save you.

@Cathode The spiritual baptism, the circumcision made without hands is what happens the very instant a person believes. it takes place in the heart of man, it's the circumcision of the heart that Jeremiah and Isaiah prophesied. The Circumcision of Christ performed by the Holy Spirit which is...

Ok, if you just want to trash talk and not go to Scripture, so be it!

Let me see if I can explain it to where at least you can understand what I see. The waters in the flood represents the symbol of being saved for Noah and his family. The water actually saved no one, it was God's wrath on sin. What saved Noah was his faith and obedience in building the Ark...

Van, you do know there is a resurrection of the just and unjust? Those in Hell/Lake of Fire, do have immortal bodies and cannot be literally killed as you suggest. Acts 24:15 "And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of...

Where is found in Scripture, Van? Show it to us!

I'm speaking of the premise in which we are justified before God. Paul can't justify anyone, he could only point to the Justifier and how we can become justified. And he made it clear that justification is found only in Christ, not by any associated works by man.

It never ends, does it? I've said what I needed to say, what I was expected to say.

Whatever it is, it's not an ology found in Scripture.

"Jesus didn't do all the work alone" for our salvation?" My goodness, the hair is standing up on the back of my neck! Oh man, this is really bad, Cathode! Salvation is hanging by a thread!

Whatever you say, Van.

No Cathode, let's get the full sentence in that Peter said. "The like figure (symbol of baptism) whereunto even baptism does also now save us...." Peter is representing water baptism as a "like figure" a symbol of the baptism that saves us. Paul tells us what that baptism is in Colossians 2...

Are you a full or partial Annihilationist.

I'm going to have to reevaluate the way I read posts from now on, knowing you're an Annihilationist.

There's not for you if you choose to overlook it. But that doesn't change the fact it's there!

It's confusing arguing with you, BF. I just want us all to be in good standing when stand at that Judgment Seat.

No, I'm just dead set against adding anything to salvation other than faith in the finished work of Christ ALONE!

We just found something else in common!

Before he became that devil, how did he go out with the others soon to be apostles and heal the sick, give the blind sight, and perform all those miracles without being saved at that time?

I'm still stunned you're an Annihilationist. I'll say the resistance you've met along the way is quite considerable.