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Don't feel like arguing this stuff over and over. It's not good for the spirit to continue all the time in these arguments.

Here's an example of what I'm saying. God charges them with their sins and then pleads for them to return to Him in obedience. Isaiah 1:16-20 " Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; 17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the...

When God "pleaded" with the Hebrews in the wilderness and at any other time, He is bringing them "face to face" with their sin and rebellion. That's how it is translated by some as judgment. God is pleading, showing them their faults while imploring them to return to Him in obedience.

The Hebrew word in Ezekiel 20:36 translated as "pleaded" is hit'chanen (הִתְחַנֵּן). This word means to beg, implore, or plead for favor, and it's often used in a context of seeking grace or mercy.

Ezekiel 20:35-36 "And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face. Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God."

If you agreed with me, Z, then I would have to checkup, but since you don't I know I'm on the right track.

LOL, I'm not exactly crazy about it. But I do like it in Chinese. I think it's the sauce that makes it that way.

The foreknowledge I see above is the same foreknowledge I see in 1 Peter 1:2, "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied."

I view His "foreknowledge" in the same way I read it in other examples. When God brought the Hebrews out into the wilderness, He already knew the greater majority would not "enter into His rest." But yet He kept pleading with them to turn from their disobedience and trust Him. God foreknew...

Well there I go again, not paying attention to which thread I'm responding!!! I was responding to the foot washing here. Just scratch it and pray for me.

I'm certainly not saying I know it all, but I can usually spot a symbolization in Scripture when I read the context.

Just had some broccoli today, in meatballs, sliced mushrooms, and an Asian sauce for flavor, over rice. It's goooood, Salty, you should give a go!

I no way see it meant to be a literal foot washing. I see it as "an example" of the Servants principles in serving others and even placing them before yourself as the situation rises. I can assure you I'm not going around literally washing the feet of others, but I will serve them saved or...

I wonder if Mr. Philpot would see the love from the other side of the fence in Hell? Would he not be pleading, why was this person drawn and not me? Why am I in Hell, why wasn't I given the opportunity of that person?

I was born into the IFB ranks many years ago, and I will die in the same! After I was born-again I found that I disagreed with a few things in the IFB Church. So I began searching to align with what I was certain the Scripture taught. I found in every direction I turned the differences doubled...

Mr. Philpot doesn't tell us HOW God draws us. Does He place us under a trance and we have no choice but to understand and receive His way, or does He prepare man every step of the way to hear the Gospel from another and we are presented with a choice?

Nothing wrong with that! The best way to learn anything about the Baptists is ask a Baptist. It's said there are over 50 different types of Baptists, so you may not get the same answers.

It seems your main concern is Universalism, and in general the Baptists oppose this doctrine. There are always a few sympathizers but the Baptists for the most part condemn Universalism as heresy.

I don't ever remember having conversation with that member before. So I know virtually nothing about that person, and I just couldn't place what was being said.

There are 3 fairly large IFB churches near me, along with several other Baptist Churches that don't identify as IFB. I only know of 1 Calvinist Church in the area. Every where I go I know some folks in the Church world, always have to chat a while, and I don't mind. Most of these folks are...