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I hear you, Brother. But it's not that simple for many.

The disagreements on salvation. That must be first and foremost!

In the land of the Baptist Boards, a great light was given.

And he's a Dispensationalist on top of that! God does still answer prayer!

Welcome to BB, look forward to your participation!

The 2 work together and cannot be separated. The is no salvation without justification and there can be no justification without salvation. So what is the big deal of my using the word salvation and you insisting on justification? The one is the result of the other.

Oh, so you had no point to your conversation? Exactly what is the difference in justification and salvation, K? Is there some 5 pt. clause that separated the meaning of the 2 words.

The 5 points are plain to see for me! You are suggesting salvation (the Law written in their hearts), through the Law with no repenting and acknowledging belief.

But I will say the bottom line to our disagreement is your 5 points, and my Grace offered to man with free will.

Lol. Ok, we disagree and that's that.

K, they could not be justified with acknowledging God! The Gentiles without the Gospel could be justified by admitting to themselves they were doing wrong and knowing their had to be a Creator by the presence of creation itself. Either God sent someone to this person who was honest in heart to...

In similarity to the Gentiles who had a conscience, the Jews had the Law. No one had to tell the Jews they couldn't keep the Law perfectly, if they were honest with themselves they knew they weren't keeping the Law. This pointed to Christ in the Law for salvation. But with the Gentile who had...

No, K. Through the conscience man is pointed to God, just as the Law pointed to Christ. When Paul wrote the Book of Romans there were many Gentiles at this time who never heard the Gospel. But they had a conscience that gave them some sense of right and wrong. Paul mentions them accusing...

No sir, Paul is not speaking of salvation for these Gentiles by showing the Law written in their hearts. Paul is saying these Gentiles are not without light, and have no excuse. He mentions the conscience that bears witness to right and wrong, this is not salvation. This is pointing to...

Of course you won't agree, K Paul is not saying the doers of Law will be justified, he makes it clear in several verses no one can be justified by the works of Law. He is making the point that fallen man cannot keep the Law. In the sense that the hearers of Law must also keep the Law, but we...

For all of us who can't keep the Law, the Law is a curse and beings forth death, spititual death. But for Christ who did keep the Law, it was righteousness.

You originally responded to my post concerning predestination. I still don't know what you're talking about here! Explain yourself and let me in on what this is.

Nothing can be done with these who believe God will not leave disobedient man in the Lake of Fire forever. They reason and twist Scripture to mean what they want it to mean, even though it's not there, making God a liar. It's like a disease that has to run it's course and nothing can be done.

Well you just go ahead with that Idea, meanwhile it's getting less crowded at Mass for you.

They're finding the truth and leaving in droves.