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Dave G, you cannot understand Rom. 9 without understanding the rest of Romans and put it together. I will say it again, the TULIP dreamers will only stick to a certain passage of Scripture they can manipulate. Exactly what you're doing here, as all of you do.

Rom. 11:25 "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

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Your not reading the context of what these verses are saying, you pick a verse and use it for your purpose without understanding what it's saying. You have the characteristics of the UR, the context doesn't matter.

We must settle who are "the children of promise counted for the seed" as Paul said before moving on, Dave G.

OK, Dave G, let's get it right! All of Israel is not Israel because all of Israel is not in the faith of Israel (Jacob). This whole chapter is on Israel's unbelief in Christ. Israel believed they were saved by being a descendant of Abraham through circumcision. Paul says no! You are of the...

Go ahead, I've got your #.

That's pretty much the way Calvin did it, reasoning himself into heresy and ignoring the sign posts along the way.

The great sin of TULIP is leaving out the theme of Scripture. It's like the UR (Universal Restoration) focusing on what they manipulate and ignoring everything else.

"Adam fell, therefore Christ must die." That is if Adam's fallen race is to be redeemed. Pastor Price is very weak in Scripture.

I believe God gave man free will to choose his own way. Just the way He gave it to Adam in the Garden.

God can't fail, that is impossible. Ken doesn't understand God's mercy and grace toward mankind, to you He just shuttles off to Hell all that He doesn't want.

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No Ken, you don't want to understand as you have been told countless times. God made man a free moral agent to choose His own way. Man does not control God's salvation that he can make God a failure, that also is ridiculous! God has given man the ability to choose his own destiny by the...

That's ridiculous, Ken. Acts 17:30-31 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance...

2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." You've got a dangerous nerve to make that statement, Ken!

If you're not familiar with Romans 9 in the context of TULIP, it's a favorite place where the TULIP dreamers go thinking they have proven unconditional election. But it taint so. Unconditional election denies that God in His foreknowledge looks into the future and determines His elect by free...

It's been normal trading pleasantries with you, ky. It's my bedtime now.

This could go on forever, but my posts proving TULIP to be a failed theory are not for you, or Dave G, nor Ken. They are for the others who are trying to learn the truth of predestination from God's Word. I intend to show them the truth.

A failed theory that denies so many verses of Scripture it boggles the mind. How can you not see why I oppose your theory?