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    Questions About Predestination

    You know what we mean by "free will" you just want to argue as you always do. Twisting and turning what's said is your game!
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    Questions About Predestination

    If you don't know what "free will" means by now, I'm sure I can't explain it for you.
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    Questions About Predestination

    It looks like you're the one with the exaggeration. We are all fallen just as Adam and we all have free will just as Adam. Nothing has changed.
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    Questions About Predestination

    God doesn't want robots that He elected to love Him, He wants man to love Him by their own free will/choice. That's the reason man began with God given free will in the Garden and nothing has changed.
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    Questions About Predestination

    Christ said he would send the Comforter/Holy Spirit, and He would convict of sin and of righteousness. He does it through the hearing of the Gospel. The hearing of the Gospel through the power of the Holy Spirit is our awakening to the truth. Eph. 1:13 "In whom ye also trusted, after that...
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    Questions About Predestination

    I take no credit for my salvation. How could I, there was nothing I could do but say, yes Lord I believe.
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    Questions About Predestination

    I believe in total depravity, and it's the hearing of the Gospel that man realizes who he is and his need for a Savior.
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    Questions About Predestination

    Is it possible you're making the choice to believe on your own having heard the Gospel message? Let me ask it in another way. Is it possible that you have heard the Gospel with the conviction of the Holy Spirit and believed that truth and God gave you righteousness? Not Him making the choice...
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    Questions About Predestination

    I'm thinking the Calvinists think they are the elect by believing it was predestined for them to believe and so they do believe, not realizing they made a free will choice to believe. I've never had a problem with the faith of the Calvinist's, I have a problem with how they think they came to...
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    Questions About Predestination

    It's a total misunderstanding of predestination. Just look at the answers in the OP that outright deny the Word of God, changing it to meet a theory devised by man. The believing individual is predestined to God's plan before the foundation of the world to be conformed into the image of...
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    Points of disagreement.

    I would agree on how we are saved, but disagree that all here see it that way.
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    Yes, it's very easy to assume this or that in Scripture. I call it reading between the lines, and I have some experience with it, lol. It's probably best kept to oneself that to bring it out here on the boards.
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    I'm sure the Lord will have no problems correcting our faults of reading between the lines. I think we all have some surprises coming.
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    I don't think He did, not because He couldn't, but because He made Himself of no reputation and took upon Himself the form of a servant. I don't think He knew what was around the next corner unless the Holy Spirit told Him. I see Him totally lead by the Holy Spirit, waiving His rights of Deity.
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    He promised you eternal life, do you think He's bound to that? Not to mention many other things. He does it all by His plan before the foundation of the world according to His good pleasure.
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    Everything God does is by the legal means of His 2 Laws. The Law of Sin and Death. The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Whether man or angel, including Satan, must obey these Laws, even God Himself is bound to these Laws. These are called the most powerful Laws in the universe...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    All of the miracles were by the Power of the Holy Spirit. Christ didn't know who touched Him when He felt healing power go through Him to heal the Gentile woman with an issue of blood. He only knew what the Holy Spirit revealed to Him, He didn't know when He would return, "no man knows"...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    No, I don't mind the questions at all, Jon. I look at the atonement as a means for fallen man to be reconciled to God. Paul said we are bought with a price. That price was the shed Blood of Christ. Why would God require such a thing, and that of His own Son? I believe God had no choice but to...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    I believe Christ was a willing subject, but God did place the sins of the whole world on Christ. There is a condition to be met in order to benefit from that atonement, we must accept and believe in what God has done for us through Christ. So in the big picture it was done that man might be...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    We don't take sin nearly as seriously as God takes it. He is Holy and perfect beyond my comprehension. We all die physically because of sin, and we will all be separated from God for eternity if our sins are not forgiven according to His instructions. I suppose one day we will understand, but...
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