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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    The way I see it, no sin goes without punishment. God's hatred for sin and having declared "the wages of sin is death" cannot let sin go unpunished being the Righteous Judge. I see the sins of the redeemed being laid on Christ in God's mercy and Grace toward believing man. But the wrath of God...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    I don't see it that way, Jon. Peter said that Christ bore our sins on the Tree. So I see Christ taking my sin upon Himself. Paul said that Christ was made to be sin who knew no sin. I see Him as taking my place to make my salvation possible. We can't help but read between the lines, and I...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    This is off topic but needs to be said, imo. Someone will say, how can the free gift be a free gift if there is a condition on it? The gift is not based on our performance, it is based on Grace through another's performance, Jesus Christ. Actually it's based on Love from the very beginning...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    Righteousness earned can't be taken away, none of us can earn it but Christ did earn the righteousness freely given to us with the condition of grace through faith. Christ as a man stands alone as the only man ever to live that earned God's standard of righteousness. The reason His name is...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    He lived His life as a man just as we do, He laid aside His power as God, but could not lay aside the fact He is and was God.
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    No, that's not what I said! There can be no forgiveness of sins without the sacrifice of Christ. Forgiveness for the OT saints was based on faith in the coming Messiah, at least where the Law was established.
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    Several times in the OT we read, "the soul that sins shall die." Depending on the context it can mean physically or spiritually, most often it's spiritually. It doesn't mean the spirit dies as in ceasing to exist, it's a reference to the second death. The Scripture doesn't say this exactly...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    Here's what you said in the OP. "Additionally, the Corporal Death Christ Endured in the Flesh included a Death in His Soul, Equal to a Spiritual and an Eternal Death, though not a Death of His Soul." Looks like a spiritual death to me, but not clearly said.
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    Christ had the power to forgive sin before He died based on His death on the Cross being a foregone conclusion in the mind of the Father. The OT saints sins were also forgiven based on this conclusion. In Lev. 4 the sinner was to place his hand on the head of sin offering and slay the animal...
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    X News 3

    Hopefully I won't be around to witness it.
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    Are You Satisfied With President Trump?

    He's dealing with ruthless people not only around the world but right here in our backyard. I think the butcher knife is what's needed in most cases. He's got the fortitude to use the butcher knife where it's needed, the language they understand that gets results.
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    X News 3

    Socialism leadership always runs out of money, it's just a matter of time. For NYC hopefully there will be a Rep. POTUS that will not bail them out when it comes. NYC's problem is going to all of our problems in time.
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    What Doctrine could keep us from Heaven?

    I'm not a Universalist as you seem to be, so yes, the wrath of God if not canceled out by grace through faith is an eternity in the Lake of Fire, as the Scripture teaches. If you're convinced it's not then show me where in Scripture they get out of the Lake of Fire once cast in according to...
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    Who are our modern Nicolaitians?

    Sounds like a spot on description of the early RCC. Especially with the "Nico" in the "laitians."
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    The Scripture doesn't say for sure, but I believe after His resurrection HIs took back His power as God. He had finished what He came to do and claimed His place at the right hand of His Father, being equal with the Father.
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    What Doctrine could keep us from Heaven?

    The Grace of God is there for them, Christ died for their sins too! There are many reasons the lost reject the Gospel, I would say pride is the most prevalent.
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    Uncle Sam’s “big four-oh” coming soon

    Trump has noticed and I heard him say in an interview a few weeks after his inauguration that covid19 prevented him from laying hold on the problems with the national debt. Then he said as soon as he gets these dire problems taken care of left by Biden, he said he will turn his full attention...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    You also probably believe as Copland that Christ suffered in Hell until the Father that said, that's enough. Jesus Christ was a man just as we are, but He was also God at the same time. He laid aside His power as God and lived His life on this earth just as we do, not knowing what's around the...
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    What Doctrine could keep us from Heaven?

    Everyone, well everyone who has been paying attention knows very well where I stand on the 5 points. I believe in total depravity but not in the way of the Calvinists and Sovereign Grace, and I can't go any further with the remaining 4. Quite frankly tired of discussing it!
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