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Let's let the people decide for themselves who speaks the truth. It's not rocket science, it's really very simple. Which doctrine agrees with "whosoever will let him come.." "For whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." "Come now let us reason together saith the Lord."...

When you read Rom. 8:29 you're reading a conditional election according to His foreknowledge. "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." He did foreknow who would believe and He predestined...

I understand that Peter said "elect according to the foreknowledge of God." I understand that Reformed Theology is according to God's sovereign will, not His foreknowledge.

Gen. 2:16-17 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

No, I understand it, but you can't have it both ways. God's election is according to foreknowledge or it's according to sovereignty.

If you Reformed folks want to deny unconditional election is based on God's sovereignty and claim foreknowledge, then I suggest you begin rewriting TULIP. You've got some serious problems.

I don't need to read a link to understand God's foreknowledge, I've already explained it to you.

Yea, we agree on several things, BF, it's a shame that this predestination thing is taking the spot light from the things we have in common.

I agree, BF!

What does it mean "Elect ACCORDING to the foreknowledge of God the Father?" Reformed Theology believes in an unconditional election. The election cannot be ACCORDING to His foreknowledge, that would be a conditional election. Reformed Theology is an election according to His Sovereignty.

It's in Rom. 5:21 that the "sin nature" comes into focus with Paul. "That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord." Paul uses the definite article before the word "sin" that makes it a noun. It reads "the sin"...

Unfortunately, I fail quite often in practicing what I preach. I'm not a rock as was Paul and Peter, etc. I'm a continuous work in progress, most of the time one step forward and 2 back. But He hasn't given up on me, He will take us to the finish line by our faith in Him.

There comes a point where the calling out of false doctrine on someone as determined as BF, and for years, has to be seen in a different light. Paul called out false doctrine all through his letters to the Churches, then he would speak of the positive they had and achieved and the confidence...

Everyone has a positive trait no matter how deceived they may be. Nothing wrong with pointing out the positive in a person. Imagine BF with his guns loaded with live ammo with the Holy Spirit as his side. That would be a sight to behold, and what that determination could accomplish is...

I give BF the credit for sticking to his guns, that is an admirable trait. But his guns have been loaded with blanks and will not accomplish that he seeks. It's sad, and at the same time there is no excuse that God will accept.

This reminds me of Part 3 in Dispensationalism that I'm yet to prepare. I'm going to integrate the above post into Part 3. But please understand that I naturally put this out of my mind, it requires deep thought and preparation of recalling Scripture for my points. I've mentioned that I have...

If we look outside of the verses of Scripture where Paul teaches the doctrine of predestination, I call them the sign posts that carry the regulations of the Word of God. If we acknowledge these sign posts we can clearly see that the theory of TULIP is contrary to the theme of the sign posts...

Oh I totally agree! I enjoy discussing doctrine and learning from others their aspect that I haven't considered, it's educational. My point is though we disagree in doctrine, it does not effect our salvation, as that comes by repentance and faith in Christ.

Excellent point, cjab.

Yes, we disagree but that's ok. God doesn't demand correct doctrine, He demands repentance.