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So are you suggesting that only calvinists can be saved? Only two views of Calvinism "If Calvinism is an error: The reason most Christians reject it is because they have good discernment. If Calvinism is true: The ultimate reason most resist it is because God sovereignly and unchangeably...

On this we do agree Z.

Your understanding has to filter the word of God through the calvinist theory from the 4th century. My truth comes from the word of God as found in scripture, no filter needed.

Yes the truth of God's word will stand which is why I do not follow your man-made calvinist theory.

What is God's purpose @atpollard? That those that would repent and trust in Him would be saved. God is Omniscient and thus has full foreknowledge of all who would freely trust in Him. Those that trust in Him are predestined to be conformed to the image of His son. All are called but not all...

I know what the bible says Z. You have chosen to view His foreknowledge as causative where I see His foreknowledge as just what it says. He knew beforehand those that would freely trust in Him.

@Charlie24 you have to remember that for the calvinist the word of God is only understood by cherry picked verses. It seems the KY and Z cannot accept the truth of God's word in Ezekiel in regard to Exodus.

Just as you are selective in the version that you have used KY. Eze 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face. Eze 20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you...

Do would seem you understand what those words means Z? omniscience noun the quality or state of being omniscient. infinite knowledge. foreknowledge noun knowledge of something before it exists or happens; prescience.

Then you have to deal with these words: Rom 9:27 And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved; Rom 9:28 for the Lord will execute his sentence upon the earth fully and without cutting it short."

All people have the ability to believe but not all will believe.

They are responding to the drawing of God by other than the gospel. Act 10:35 "But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him. NKJV Here in vs 35 we see the conditions for salvation in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted...

So @Marooncat79 your saying that God can be fooled by a persons heart. That's not the God we see in scripture is it? I am thankful that the God I serve does not need to hear words but looks at the heart.

Baptized in a non-RC church is not for salvation but is a public confession of you r faith in God. In the RCC it is for salvation. You can correct me on the RCC if I have that wrong. That is what I was told by friends who were RCC.

We are talking both OT & NT as God does not change. Calvinism, not even close. Calvinism, only a select group can be saved, Bible all of humanity can be saved. God desires all to come to Him and has provide the means for man to know Him. God is not limited by man opinions. Creation, so we...

Just as they did in the OT, through faith in God. Do you think God changes? Is God not sovereign? We are saved by grace through faith. If people hear the gospel they are responsible for how they respond to the message. Why do you think that those that trust in God through the various means He...

So who was the mediator in OT times? Gen 15:6 And he believed H539 (H8689) in the LORD H3068, and He accounted H2803 (H8799) it to him for righteousness H6666. H3068 - Original: יהוה - Transliteration: Y@hovah - Phonetic: yeh-ho-vaw’ - Definition: Jehovah = the existing one 1. the proper name...

I agree, we will just have to agree to disagree on this particular subject. Have a good day John.

Those two sentences are not contradictory. Just as I do believe John 14:6 Jesus is God incarnate and those that believe in Him will be saved just as we saw in Luke 7:50 It is by grace we are saved through faith. As in the OT it is in the NT. Now you can read minds. If I had wanted to call...

There is the difference as we se it. I see God as saving all those that trust in Him. Whether that trust is via the gospel, creation, conviction of sin etc. I just do not feel I am in the position to tell God what He can do with His creation. Yes I know the OT & NT are different covenants but...