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Do you not think you have the ability to understand the gospel message? If it were that hard then how do you explain a child being able to grasp it? If you say it is only because the Holy Spirit enables them then please explain why He does not enable all people since God desires all to come to...

So what Flowers has said agree's with scripture and you disagree with what he said so it would mean that you do not agree with scripture. Paul wrote Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Rom...

Sure I have heard the term used any number of times by calvinists. You throw it around like some great got ya. In reality I have not seen anyone on this board that would even come close to fitting even what you calvinists think it means.

So your saying that any theological system that uses the biblical text as it's support is Pelagian to it's core. That must include your calvinism . Both your WCF & LBCF do the same thing Z. I have pointed out the errors of calvinism many times and you still support that pagan view,. Why is the...

From what you are saying it would seem the only ones qualified to understand the bible are those of the calvinist view. Odd that they have to change the meaning of words so it fits their theological view. Odd how those same people are unable to understand that that view did not exist until...

@Tea I have pointed out your obvious errors through biblical texts and you keep responding with your errant calvinist views. When you cannot or rather will not believe the word of God then we have reached an impasse. So you follow your calvinism and I will follow the word of God.

To quote you "Yes, Christ died for ungodly sinners. That is descriptive of the elect whom He has redeemed from out of the world." Since we were all ungodly sinners prior to our salvation and as you said Christ died from those ungodly sinners and you have said He only died for the elect then that...

Thank you for the clarification.

So you are now saying you believe in universalism. Remember we are all ungodly sinners prior to our freely trusting in Him for our salvation. Are you going to limit the power of God to save those that believe in Him? Where does it say that only the elect are ungodly sinners? Rom 5:6 For...

You make these comments but do not give any scripture to support your claim. The bible is clear whom Christ died for, sinners, the world, the ungodly. Does that leave anyone out? God say He desires that all, not just the calvinist elect, to come to repentance. Do you not believe the word of...

I am curious how you came to this conclusion as we see numerous passages that point to Christ coming to be the savior of all. 1Ti_4:10 Savior of all men, especially of believers Heb_2:9 should taste death for every man 1Jn_2:1-2 propitiation for the whole world Rom_5:6 Christ died for the...

If God does the choosing as you suggest and He desires that all come to repentance then why do not all come to repentance? Your theology say God determines all things so what is the problem? I grant that being conformed to the image of His son is one of the blessings and the bible is clear...

t Thank you for your reply. From what I read in the bible I have to disagree with your view here "The Scripture calls those that would believe, the elect. Christ came to only save the elect from the law. Christ did not come to save those that would not believe from the law." From this it...

Yes God has chosen us that believe in Him to be conformed to the of His son. He did not choose who would believe but what would be the result for those that do believe. Context shows that Paul was writing to believers in Ephesus. The bible does not say that "God hath decreed in himself, from...

Note the words here, "He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ" God made the decision before creation that salvation would be through faith in Him. God has predestined for those who have trusted in Him to become like Jesus to become holy and blameless and so He chooses those...

But we are only one of the elect when we are in the "elect One" and that only happens through faith which logically can only happen after we are alive. The idea of elect from before the foundation of the world is just something read into the text. Have you actually thought threw the LBCF text...

Election does not depend on foresight it depends on faith. God being Omniscient foreknows all that will happen but He does not cause it to happen. Man freely chooses to sin just as he freely chooses to trust.

Reading through your post I see a bit of confusion there. On one hand you say "that is why Jesus came to be “the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe” (1Tim 4:10). He did this by being the “Light which gives light to every man” (John 1:9)" Then later you say "The Son of God...