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When you used "IF" in your sentence it became a conditional sentence Tea. The fact that, all things being equal, the sun will rise tomorrow does not alter the fact that what you wrote was a conditional sentence.

Z all you have proven is that you are a calvinist. Your own confessions say that God determined all things thus any one that is condemned is condemned because God determined that they would be condemned B4 they even existed. If your version of god picked out all those that would be saved prior...

Z it is the determinism of calvinism that lays that charge on God. How many times has a calvinist said that all the elect were chosen B4 creation? The calvinist view that God picks so many and no more means that He also reprobates all the others. They are condemned through no fault of their...

Which sentence are you referring to KY? Is it “If the sun rises tomorrow, then we’ll have daylight.” You say that "IF" means "since" now that is a perfect example of how the calvinist changes words to fit their agenda. But as for the sentence “If the sun rises tomorrow, then we’ll have...

KY you have really shown how little you understand the English language when you say that "IF" is a statement of fact. But actually when you read Rom 4:24 in a modern translation it is a statement of fact as they did not in the "IF" that the KY writers did as it is not found in the Greek text...

KY you are letting your obsession cloud your mind. What does your silly post have to do with what I had written? Here is the full text which just shows how desperate you are. You do not have a good answer do you? "The calvinist view that God picks so many and no more means that He also...

If = a primary particle of conditionality As I said before Tea you use a different dictionary. Even the sentence you use, which is just a strawman argument, actually shows conditionality.

As long as you think that way KY you will never understand the word of God or the love that He has for His creation.

So it's a good thing you do not have to have perfect faith, or perfectly love God, or perfectly love your neighbor. Salvation is not about the works you seem to think you have to perform to be saved. All you need is to exercise your free will and trust in God.

KY you never fail to make me laugh. I do not have to stamp out Calvinism I just have to keep pointing out it's errors. It will do it to itself as people come to see it for what it really is. A false theology based on pagan philosophy from the 4th century.

God know who will freely trust in Him is not the same as your idea that He has determined who will be able to trust in Him. The calvinist view that God picks so many and no more means that He also reprobates all the others. They are condemned through no fault of their own but just because God...

Well that clears that up, you started with a wrong theory and that just leads to more wrong theories. Putting the cart before the horse has never worked out to well @KenH but I see that you still keep trying to do so.

So according to your view one only has to hear the gospel message to be saved they do not have to believe it.

God being Omniscient knows all those that will freely trust in Him so the total number is known. But that is not what the calvinist view teaches is it? For the calvinist God has to have picked out all those that will be saved and condemned all the rest for no other reason than He did not pick...

Free will is not a doctrine @JesusFan. Free will is a God given ability to make actual choices. We see this all though the bible. In the OT we are told to make choices: Jos_24:15 "And if it seems evil to you to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve...

Believe the the word of God as written in context or as you have been told it means Z? What Beeke or Smalley think the word of God means is just that - what they think the word of God means. They add their own understanding to the word of God as we see in the first words you quoted from them...

As I said you do not have to believe me but you do need to believe the word of God. But as your OP shows, you have more trust in what some men, Joel R. Beeke and Paul M. Smalley, have said the word of God means than what the actual word of God says.

Contrary to you I do not trust everything that comes from man but I do trust all that comes from the word of God. You do not like what JonC says so you disparage him just as you do all who disagree with your false philosophy. What false hood Z? Surely you have a list.

Any time that I post scripture that shows the error your or @canadyjd view you make the same type of comment. It matters not if you believe me but you should believe the word of God.

Care to explain how "Day and night you were anxious for the whole brotherhood, that the number of God's elect might be saved with mercy and a good conscience." points to unconditional election? I want the whole number of God's elect to be saved but that does not mean that I support the...