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But that is not what we see in scripture. When is one set free @Tea? And what are they set free from? But what is the truth that sets one free? Rom 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, Eph 1:13 And in Him, having heard and...

@Tea it is not based on the use of a singular noun. It is based on the fact of God's omniscience. Do you think Christ would return and leave some damned that were foreknow to freely trust in God? I read what Clement said and I think you are reading into his words information that is not there...

When you use the wrong information as the basis of your conclusions then the conclusion can only be wrong. We are to draw our doctrines from scripture not read our doctrines into scripture. Augustine did fine until he chose to use pagan philosophy as the basis by which he understood the word of...

If calvinism was what Jesus and the apostles taught then it would be in the bible. But since it is not then we have to look outside of scripture to men like Augustine and Calvin and such that twisted the word of God to fit views that came from pagan philosophy and thus is a man-made religion...

God knows the whole number of those that will freely trust in Him prior to the return of Christ. To say otherwise would limit the Omniscience of God. As you said "blessings cannot be received by an anonymous group" just as blessings cannot be received by those that do not exist. We only receive...

Why would you expect us that actually trust the written word of God to trust a man-made philosophy that twists the word of God?

So all the Reformed/calvinists will agree with it and all those that reject that man-made philosophy will reject it.

RWP = Word Pictures in the New Testament (A. T. Robertson) TDNT = Theological Dictionary of the New Testament We all have a bias which is formed by what we have heard or read. I consider the written word of God to be the truth you seem to have more trust in what some men have told to the...

does what Z? Who is he Z? And in your world He determines everything including all the sin and evil. We actually study the word of God in context. You ans your ilk just cherry pick verses that you think support your flawed view. The truth does come from all 66 books not from your calvinist...

You do make some assumptions in your post which seem to be influenced by your particular theological view. The number of those that will be saved is known to God not because He has caused them to believe or picked out a select group that were saved prior to creation but because He is Omniscient...

If you believe them why do you disagree with them?

Z what is it with your constant denial of the means of salvation. Eph 2:8-9 is clear enough that even you should be able to understand it. Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; Eph 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no...

You can keep deny the word of God but it will do no good KY. Light does shine in the heart of those that respond in faith. See Rom 10:9-10 or Eph 1:13 or Jn 20:31. Not pelagian just biblical.

You keep making that claim but scripture shows you are wrong Z.

The person changes their heart. They respond to the information that they have. They have the ability to trust inn or reject God.

I agree on both counts. That is what I see in scripture.

I have to differ with you on whether I should pray for someone after they have heard the gospel message. I can and have prayed that God would work in they lives through various means to draw them to Him. Have you not heard of people that heard the gospel but rejected it but later came to faith...

The bible says we are slaves to sin and I agree but even a salve can make real choices. To deny that is to deny reality. Dave your will is to do the will of God correct? His will is that we not sin. Do you ever sin Dave, I know I do. So if we can do other than what we will why would you think...

I agree the crux of the problem is how does a person come to believe. For the calvinist it seems to be that God has to make them believe which I find to be an unbiblical view. For me and what I see as a biblical view God has provide the various means for man to know Him. God holds man...

But what Flowers said is biblical or do you not agree with Paul when he said the gospel is the power of God to salvation? As Flower's rightly said it is a calvinist view that we need this special work of the Spirit prior to salvation. God's grace is found in all the various means that He has...