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It went to Christ, He is the bearer of sin for all mankind, if they will accept Him. Isaiah 53:6 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." As John has said, He is the satisfaction for not only our...

That's very much incorrect, JF. There has never been a covenant made with the Gentile Church. Paul is here speaking to the Gentiles. Rom. 11:24 "For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall...

Yes, I agree. When I made the statement that God's wrath is continuous on the wicked, I had John 3:36 in mind. "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

Ahhh, you're from God's county, NC. I'm originally from the Wilmington area, living near Charlotte for the past 25 years. Now that I'm retired I'm going back to my roots, the beach. God willing.

That's not nice, Alan, that is the precise type attitude that brings on my fidgety condition that continuously afflicts me. I've discussed it many times with my doctor and they give me medication, but to no avail. I suppose I will eventually have to separate myself from the sources that bring...

Out of respect for your previous request to continue in Rom. 9, I've decided to do so, only for you to understand my point of view. I think it very important, actually a necessity that we understand one another's view. I wasn't joking about being lazy, or I should say fidgety as I'm older now...

I knew you were a nice guy with a heart for God. It's evident from your posts.

LOL, at 69 I would like to believe 57 is middle aged. I agree, Christ is the promised seed of Abraham. If you take a closer look at it, the New Covenant was actually made with Christ for man. Paul said this New Covenant is an everlasting Covenant, in other words it can't be broken. The Old...

Well, Paul tells us that Abraham is the father of all of us who are in the faith, as he was in the faith. The promise of the New Covenant was promised to the seed of Abraham, through his faith. That promise was carried to Isaac and then Jacob by birthright, excluding all other children of...

You're a nice guy Dave G, I don't want us to continue and become enemies. God bless you!

You see my view and I see yours, and we totally disagree. Nothing we can do, Dave G.

I'm going no further until we address this!

Let's take your first paragraph and focus on it first. Moses was the "Man of God" his faith is evident in Scripture and cannot be denied. When Paul gave the example of Moses' rebellion to go any further until God fulfilled his request, it was in contrast to the example of Pharaoh who rebelled...

The Holy Spirit is supposed to be our Teacher, I think we can learn God's word in several ways, but He is the One who confirms truth. Rom. 8:16 "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:" Prov. 1:23 "Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out...

God's wrath abides on the wicked, His wrath is satisfied on them at the judgment. Judgment is the righteousness of God fulfilled on those who refuse His Son, for whatever reason.

I agree to a point. The New Covenant is for both Israel and the Gentile and we are one body in Christ. The Gentile Church has been grafted into Israel's covenant, the New Covenant was made with them (Israel). The covenant is not with the Church, it is with Israel, the natural seed of Abraham.

I agree, JonC, God's anger/wrath is continuous on all the wicked in this world. Paul told us in Eph. 4 to be angry and sin not, don't let the sun go down on your wrath. It's a natural emotion for man to become angry, and that's not a sin, unlike God whose wrath is continuous, we are to let go...

We Gentile believers have been grafted into that promise God made with Abraham. We are not the natural seed of Abraham, we are the spiritual seed of Abraham by faith in Jesus Christ. The same promises made to Israel are given to us and we will share the land with them. But the land promise...

This is concerning Israel, God's chosen people. God made promises to faithful Abraham that his descendants would receive those promises. The faithful remnant of Israel has been reserved by God down through the centuries, and to this very day to fulfill those promises God made to Abraham.

When I say "we can't agree" I mean the members as a whole here on the forum.