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I should have known better that to disagree with you, @Zaatar71.

Just your view of it.

Why is it that the overwhelming majority of believers disagree with you, BF? Why is your view such a small group in Christianity?

I see nothing beautiful in a doctrine that teaches God gathering a select group and leaving the rest in their sinful condition without reaching out to them. In fact, it's down right ugly!

That is very much correct, Van! If I'm reading you correctly. All through the Old Testament Scripture the Gentiles were grafted into Covenant with Israel, those who believed in the God of Israel. It's no different in the New Testament with us Gentiles being grafted into their New Covenant...

Col. 1:26-28 "Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every...

No it's not, but here is the wonderful Grace of our Christ, He came only for the lost sheep of Israel, but He in His great mercy never turned down the faith of a Gentile. We see it over and over again in the Gospels, Christ healing and saving the Gentiles, though He came only for the lost...

God originally chose and called Israel, not the Church to take the Gospel to the ends of the earth. The Church is God's second choice, when Israel failed in their calling. But as I have shown you in part 2, God is not finished with Israel, He has not changed His mind on Israel fulfilling...

I mean that Jesus Christ is the head of God's plan of salvation. He (Christ) fulfilled the calling of Israel in His own flesh. In Isaiah 49, God is speaking to Isaiah of Israel, but through the lens of Christ fulfilling their calling as His Servant. Israel through their calling will in the...

Let me add to Part 2 "that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in," referring to the end of this dispensation of Grace, the Church Age. It triggers the Second Coming of Christ, with Israel having already been prepared for their destiny, "all Israel...

Dispensationalism Part 2 Sorry this is taking so long, I've been remodeling inside the house for the past 6 weeks doing all the work myself, got my hands full. At this point let me state that the entire theme of the Holy Bible from beginning to end is Jesus Christ crucified for the sins of the...

1 Cor. 2:9 "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him." Paul was quoting from Isaiah 64:4 "For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear...

The way I see it, Dave, is that both the Pharisees and Paul acted in unbelief, but Paul's unbelief was proven to be an innocent unbelief, and the Pharisees a willful unbelief. The Pharisees stood before Christ and rejected Him refusing to see the light, but when Paul stood before Christ on the...

Awww, @Salty, I just noticed you placed Dispensationalism in "Other Christian Denominations." I guess that's the picture of the hill to be climbed. But that's ok, we'll clime that hill anyway. Dispensationalism is a Biblical doctrine that covers the entire Scripture from Gen. to Rev. I can't...

We have had such heated arguments, Van, the reason I didn't throw in my 2 cents worth. I was curious as to how you viewed those verses because I do agree with you quite often, I guess you didn't know that. We surly disagree here. When Hebrews was written there were many Jewish men turning...

No, wasn't referring to "burn the barn down" as ignoring God's Word, was referring to our normal arguments when we get together. We've had some barn burners haven't we? Anyway, I totally disagree, and I'm sure you already knew that. Allow me to ask this question, and thank you, Van, for...

Ok, when I get to it I'll post it here.

How do you interpret this, Van. Just wondering, no need to burn the down the barn. Heb. 3:14-15 "For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the...

I thought I seen a comparison, but I must be wrong.

Thread coming as soon as I can get to it.