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Still not dealing with the problem of your thinking BF? Look at the context of the verses in Job. How does it relate to what we are told in 1Ti 2:3-4?

How does Him creating sin and evil bring Him glory BF? You give simplistic answers rather than thinking things through. Your religion is built on one liners with no depth.

So as I said BF, since God desires all to be saved then why are not all saved. Your the one that keeps saying that what He desires has to come to fruition. What do you think 1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to...

Then why does God judge men for something that they have zero control over? Remember it is your version of God that has determined all things BF. So He is judging men for what He has determined they will do. You have a really strange religion there BF.

So since according to you what ever God desires that is what He does. So why are not all saved? 1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Compatibilism is just another name for divine determinism since it contends that a person can act freely even though that action is determined by God. Hard determinism admits that because God determines all that happens, has unconditionally decreed all things ahead of time, human beings are not...

BF it say "you were dead in your trespasses and sins" vs 1 in other words separated from God. Then it continues " in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air," vs 2 It does not say they were totally depraved spiritually...

Bible does not say man is totally depraved spiritually BF. That is something that you read into scripture. True man cannot be saved by their own power. God has to draw men so it is good that He has chosen to draw all men to Himself via creation, conviction of sin, Christ Jesus etc. You say man...

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Yes the false preacher says were were saved at the cross while the true gospel preacher will teach that while the sins of the whole world were cover we are only saved by the grace of God through faith in the risen Christ. Those that freely trust in Him will be saved those that chose to reject...

Total depravity is not the problem, it is that those of the C/R philosophy think total depravity actually means total inability. The whole philosophy is built around the idea of divine determinism.

The bible says we are born again/regenerate after we hear and believe the gospel not before. We are saved because we believe and we do good works because we are saved. Why is that so confusing to you?

Note they are those of the C/R view so I would not expect them to agree with me. But then again many of that view do have a problem with the text of the bible also.

How is quoting calvinists misrepresenting what calvinists say?

KY you just do not like it when I point out the obvious errors that come from your particular religion.

So your going with A [before we believe]. Not a biblical view but it is yours. Oh by the way "faithfulness" is a fruit of the Spirit for those that believe not faith as you continue to claim. Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness...

I agree BF we must be born again but you still have not answered the question. When are we indwelt by the Holy Spirit A] before we believe or B] after we believe It really is not that hard a question but you continue to dance around it rather than just give a straight answer. Is it A or B...

You seem to have missed all these verses BF so I will post them again. To you perhaps is is all a mystery but not to those that actually trust what the bible says. Rom 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew...

To you perhaps but not to those that actually trust what the bible says. Rom 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Greek. Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and...

And you still miss the truths contained there in.