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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Because that is what the Bible teaches. If God wanted to do things another way, He would have done it another way. But at the same time, as I have pointed out to you many times, God cannot deny Himself. If His word says, as it does, that He is 'by no means clearing the guilty,' that means...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Post #92. Post #101. Don't you think you owe the board just a teensy-weensy apology for misleading it?
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    I think you'll find that you did, on this very thread, less than 24 hours ago in your post #92. Here you are! Are you suffering from short-term memory loss, or are you being deceitful? The law makes no "demands" on God. He gave the law! And God will not deny Himself (2 Timothy 2:13). God...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Of course God forgives those who trust in Christ and repent. But it is only on the basis that Christ has taken our sins upon Himself and paid the penalty for them It's in the Biblical text as I have shown you several times. My belief is in the Bible. You can't tell me what you think the...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    It is, of course, in the text - several times. You just won't accept them which is your problem, not mine. However, see below. And I have asked you what the Bible says and you can't tell me. It is very poor theology to demand a verse that proves something. As I have asked you before, why...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Well, perhaps I missed them. Perhaps you will repeat them and at the same time give us references so that we can look them up on line. I have previously said that I have read very little of the Institutes. I have read a few of his commentaries and some of his sermons. I never automatically...
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    1JN.2:2...A.W.Pink

    When John writes 'my liitle children,' surely it is clear that he is writing to believers? When our Lord addresses the scribes and Pharisees as a 'brood of vipers,' surely it is obvious that he is NOT speaking to believers? What the two groups had in common was that, according to Pink, they...
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    Why Provisionism Is Not Biblical

    I believe that Flowers was on the website when I first joined. He had a nom de plume and I can't remember what it was. I agree that Flowers does seem to be Pelagian.
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    Thoughts on John 19:30

    [continued from previous post] 5. On the Cross we can see the end of all our sins. ‘And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all’ (Isaiah 53:6). If my iniquities have been laid upon Christ they are no longer on me. To be sure, there is still sin in me for I still carry the relic of my...
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    Thoughts on John 19:30

    There are seven things that we may see finished, paid, fulfilled or accomplished on the cross. 1. On the cross we may see the fulfilment of all the prophesies which had been written of the Messiah in the Old Testament. He was ‘Despised and rejected of men’ (Isaiah 53:3); ‘Hated without a...
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    JESUS SUFFERED THE WRATH OF GOD EQUIVALENT OF OUR ETERNAL HELL.

    You have to limit the atonement in some way. If our Lord is a ransom for every single person, why are some not ransomed? If He bought with His life, the 'guy heading for swift destruction,' why do some guys still head there? You are limiting the atonement to those who believe or you are saying...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    I think you are talking through your hat. I don't think you have ever heard of the Justinian Law Codes, or what they mean. You have not provided a single word from Calvin himself to back up your claim, and even if you did, Penal Substitution doesn't come from Calvin, it comes from the Bible...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    First of all you need to understand that the Justinian Law Codes were the basis for all legal codes for most, if not all, nation states as they developed over the years. The Emperor Justinian was some sort of Christian and the law codes developed the older Augustinian codes in what Justinian...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    All this is a question of philosophy. Thank you for laying out yours. But since you have told me what I believe :Roflmao, without ever quoting anything I have posted, why do you need me to comment further? You need to defend your position from Scripture, but that seems to be very difficult for...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    I have certainly criticized people who quote large portions of Scripture without saying what they think the portions mean, as well as those who keep talking about Scripture without ever quoting it. If you stick to that, you will not go far wrong. Great. Do you mean pagan Roman law or the...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    You seem to believe that changing your mind makes you clever. It is not necessarily so (Gal. 3:1). Your smugness does you no credit. You are simply ignoring what is in Scripture FYI, I have read very little indeed of Calvin, and what I have read is mostly his sermons (which are excellent...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    I only just saw this post. What Christians believe is that 'by His wounds we are healed.' I seem to recall reading that in the Bible somewhere. Our sins can be laid upon the Lord Jesus; they can be taken away. Why can they not be transferred? Nonsense! It accomplishes everything. You are...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    I do not think you will find anyone here who will disagree that the Lord Jesus died for our sins according to the Scriptures. The issue is, what does this statement actually mean? It will be really helpful if you will tell us what you think it means. It bothers me when you do that.
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    I was thinking of Trypho the Jew in his debate with Justin Martyr. He said, " Be assured that all our nation waits for Christ; and we admit that all the Scriptures which you have quoted refer to him. Moreover, I do also admit that the name of Jesus, by which the son of [Nun] was called, has...
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