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The flaw is that you are placing all this not at the judgment, but after it. Read Rev. 20:12, which I posted earlier, again. 'The dead were judged according to what they had done.' If God can simply forgive sins without a propitiation or atoning sacrifice, then not only does Rom. 3:25-26 not...

I was wondering if you did.

No need for Christ to suffer and die then. He just had to show up so that people could believe in Him.

The flaw here is that the dead will be 'judged according to their works by the things which were written in the books' (Rev. 20:13-14), not according to how they may have been transformed. The only way to avoid disaster is to be found in Christ. 'For He [God] made Him who knew no sin [Christ...

I hope so. No doubt you will tell me if I don't. I can't help noticing that you have quoted no Scripture here. this seems to be your own opinion. I would have liked to see how you marry your opinion to the various references to JUdgment in the Bible. But we'll get there, God willing. OK...

I think you'll find you have. Are we talking about what the Bible says or are we talking about our perceptions of justice. God's justice starts with Him setting Christ forth as a propitiation. You do little else than fire off insults at me. I have twice suggested a truce to you, but you have...

Well, I'll put you out of your misery. Imagine you are driving home to see your Mom. She has promised to make you one of her delicious apple pies. So when you arrive, you can hardly wait to munch your way through it. It looks and smells delicious, but when you take a bite -horrors! She has...

First of all, thank you for simplifying your response. I have a ton of work to do for my church and very little time. Also, my age means that I don't work quite as fast as I used to. I didn't really feel I had the time to plough through your earlier post. But may I ask you to read your post...

Where is this in the Bible? This is something you have made up for yourself. I have shown you where your theory falls short. Here is my comment again. To 'propitiate' someone is to turn his anger away and make him 'propitious' towards you. To do that, there usually has to be a 'propitiation.'...

Unfortunately some Baptists seem to be ignorant of their own history. Modern overseas missions started with William Carey who was a Particular Baptist, as were all the people in his missionary committee. Adoniram Judson was a Particular Baptist, and so, of course was perhaps the greatest...

This makes no sense as you have written it, but I will assume that you mean that wrath cannot be both executed and propitiated. If you mean something else you will have to tell me. In a word, the execution is the propitiation. God's wrath is propitiated by the suffering and death of the Lord...

Absolutely! I don't find popes, cardinals, archbishops, priests (save that all Christians are priests) monseigneurs and all the other nonsense (we don't find Bishops either in the sense that they exist in the Church of Rome). Rome puts a whole human paraphanalia between the believer and Christ.

Romans 3:19. Now we know that whatever the law says, it says it to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped and the whole world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.'...

As the originator of the thread, I request that it is now closed. I have made all the points I wanted to make - apart from one, for which I will open another thread - and it doesn't seem particularly edifying, or encouraging to new members, for JonC and myself to be swapping insults indefinitely

Of course I do not. The Bible clearly states that the Lord Jesus is the propitiation for our sins, and that God set Him forth as a propitiation by His blood. Well I think that this is your "philosophy." The Bible does not state that God's wrath is "propitiated or it is expressed." This is...

I don't think you'll find that we do.

It is a bad illustration because you do not know if I would be reconciled by a free lunch. We know that God is satisfied But perhaps the more important point is that the lunch is a propitiation, an offering to turn away righteous anger. In that you are correct. God set the Lord Jesus Christ...

Christ is the propitiation for our sins, and there is no other. Romans 3:25. [Christ Jesus] whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood.' There is no other name by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12) and there is no other way to be saved than through His blood shed for sinners on the...

Absolute garbage from start to finish.

Well it's a bad illustration. You do not know unless I tell you, whether a free lunch is going to be an acceptable propitiation for your deplorable behaviour towards me (actually, it probably is so long as it is preceded by an apology. I like lunches - especially free ones). But God tells us...