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First of all, as early as 1942, JRR stood for an infallible, verbal-plenary inspiration of the Bible in the original languages and said so in his 1942 pamphlet, Verbal Inspiration of the Bible. H When Ruckman published his first major book on a KJVO position in 1970, Rice had already taken the...

For those who don't know the background, John R. Rice (1896-1980) was a leading fundamentalist; in my view he was one of the founding fathers of the movement, author of over 200 books and pamphlets. He strongly opposed the KJVO movement. Jack Hyles (1926-2001) was a megachurch pastor and...

And Dr Price was an Old Testament editor for both the NKJV and the HCSB. He wrote two books on Bible translation, neither one espousing anything close to a KJVO position: Complete Equivalence in Bible Translation (1987), and A Theory for Bible Translation: An Optimal Equivalence Model (2007)...

I am shocked. Absolutely shocked. Confused

Well, I'll admit that I originally was ambiguous.... :Whistling You must look at authorial intent here, though.

The opposition of die-hard KJVO types is uneducated, IMHO. :p

To whoever is interested, I have read the NKJV through several times, and compared much of it to the TR Greek text. I'm here to tell you it is extremely accurate and very, very close to the KJV. The opposition die-hard KJVO types is uneducated, IMHO. When the KJVO advocate opposes the NKJV...

Got it, but shouldn't even a hypothetical be correct in its facts? :)

Understood, but I have not seen a post where you recognized that it was not a CT reading.

Your statement is incorrect. Here is the TR: ὁ λύκος ἁρπάζει αὐτά, καὶ σκορπίζει τὰ πρόβατα. My literal translation: "the wolf seizes them, and scatters the sheep." Here is the KJV: "the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep." Here is the NKJV: "the wolf catches the sheep and scatters...

I have both of these, and they reveal a very radical position, as you know. The second one was edited to leave out at least one very insulting statement.

Fundamentalists opposed the RSV, but the movement did not become KJVO at that time. When the RSV was published, fundamentalists opposed it publicly and strongly. I have a pamphlet of two radio messages by fundamentalist Bob Sumner (1922-2016) in 1952, immediately after the publishing of the...

Just to clarify, Hyles did not take his KJVO position until the early 1980s, after his mentor and father figure John R. Rice went to Heaven in December of 1980. Here is a paragraph from my book on Rice that discusses the change: These facts set the stage for understanding how Hyles changed his...

That is correct about Lee Roberson. I heard him preach 100s of times, have some of his sermon books, and have read his biography by James Wigton, Lee Roberson, and Roberson's own autobiographical book, Double-Breasted. Never have I heard or read of him saying the KJV is all there is. He was far...

I place the origin of the movement in 1970, when two books came out: The Christian's Handbook of Manuscript Evidence, by Peter Ruckman, and Which Bible?, edited by David Otis Fuller. Those both turned out to be very influential books. Fuller's book purported to be truly scholarly, with essays...

In the US, the United Methodists have gone down that road. In our town, there is a United Methodist "church" building with a great big "pride" banner on the outside wall, touting "diversity." I had a friend from Sri Lanka who was a UM pastor here in town. He moved last year to a place to get...

Right, "Bible for Today" was Waite's website and church name. I didn't know Jack Moorman had passed away. Thanks for informing me. I'm sure he was a good man. The DBS crowd called him a scholar and a textual critic, but as a Bible prof and Greek teacher, I have to say his "scholarship" was very...

Yes, there was a split. One of my sources told me that the DBS split over Waite's insistence on controlling the society. Now that Waite is in Heaven, I expect the DBS to dissolve. On Waite's Bible for Today website there is nothing more than an obituary (https://www.biblefortoday.org/), and the...

Soitenly! :Laugh

Thanks for the information. Yeah, as you have, I've seen KJVO authors quote Hills who did not have a clue as to what Hills believed. Same thing with Burgon.