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  1. George Antonios

    Can You Come to Christ on Your Own

    Well at least from the tenor of your words it seems you are at least open to hear another angle, which is all anyone could ever ask of his interlocutor.
  2. George Antonios

    Can You Come to Christ on Your Own

    I understand your position, which you are simply repeating now. Yes, that should get its own thread.
  3. George Antonios

    Can You Come to Christ on Your Own

    What I was pointing out is that if one makes the anti-scriptural argument that "free-will faith = work" that you must conclude that Christ told the Jews in John 6:29 that salvation is by works. To use John 6:29 as a proof text that "free-will faith = work" is as erroneous as using Sirs, what...
  4. George Antonios

    Can You Come to Christ on Your Own

    So you're proving that "believing" is a "work". Good job. But by that logic you've also unwittingly just "proved" something else: that Jesus told people that they are saved by works. Good job...
  5. George Antonios

    Cessationism in 1Corinthians 13:8

    Not sure we are talking about the same thing brother. I meant we do not know 100% that Revelation was written after Paul's death, although that is very likely.
  6. George Antonios

    Cessationism in 1Corinthians 13:8

    1Corinthians 13:8 is black on white cessationism, as Paul literally says cease. That being said, I actually tend to agree with your tempered view.
  7. George Antonios

    Cessationism in 1Corinthians 13:8

    That's possible, I meant, as at one point stated, that it goes away only in the sense that it becomes dissipated as moonlight is lost in the rising sunlight. As a Lebanese, I must point out here that JFK there quoted the Lebanese author Gibran Khalil Gibran. Kennedy quoted from "The New...
  8. George Antonios

    Cessationism in 1Corinthians 13:8

    A) We do not know that 100% B) Granting it to have been so, his I was preceded by a we. His I was therefore generic in reference to all Christians. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then [we shall see] face to face. C) That which is perfect is come...is literally that, is come. It's...
  9. George Antonios

    Cessationism in 1Corinthians 13:8

    I am not sure how that disannuls the observation that Paul's terminus for cessation is then face to face, which, by his own words, is not the Bible (which he qualifies as also in part), but the appearing of Jesus Christ.
  10. George Antonios

    Cessationism in 1Corinthians 13:8

    I am definitely pre-millennialist. What gave you the impression I wasn't? In 2Corinthians 5:8 we become face to face at death. That's a relevant reference, and if I were to redo the video, I would integrate it, but that which is perfect is come is not death but the millennial day, as numerous...
  11. George Antonios

    Can You Come to Christ on Your Own

    Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. In...
  12. George Antonios

    Can You Come to Christ on Your Own

    No one said otherwise. That doesn't mean we get to redefine what a "work" is in the scriptures; and free will faith, far from being categorized as a "work" by Paul, is rather set in contra-distinction to work:
  13. George Antonios

    Cessationism in 1Corinthians 13:8

    Despite the terminus being the millennial day, the cessationist interpretation is the correct one precisely because cessationists are mistaken about point #1. The reason I say that both camps mistakenly understand Paul as locating the end of the gifts (v.8) at the coming of that which is...
  14. George Antonios

    Cessationism in 1Corinthians 13:8

    This is a more text-honest - and therefore better - way of helping our Charismatic brethren see that the gifts of the Spirit have ceased. V.8 whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. – What kind...
  15. George Antonios

    Can You Come to Christ on Your Own

    What I'm trying to say is that the verses you quoted as Calvinists' proof-texts don't say the things they read into them. We must observe verses in context and only conclude what they say, not what they seem to say. Everything in the gospel of John about sheep, sheep hearing the voice, the...
  16. George Antonios

    Can You Come to Christ on Your Own

    What does it say? To whom does the Father give to come to Christ? How is that giving effected?
  17. George Antonios

    Can You Come to Christ on Your Own

    John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. Putting aside mental framing and confirmation bias, what about it? What are you reading into that? Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him...
  18. George Antonios

    Can You Come to Christ on Your Own

    What's the issue with John 6? There is no issue.
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