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  1. JonShaff

    How was Christ Forsaken?

    Psalms 22:24
  2. JonShaff

    How was Christ Forsaken?

    We totally agree on this fulfillment. If these were meant to be sung (Psalms), i wonder if our Lord Sung this in their presence? But, notice the Psalmist is constantly addressing His God. 11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help. 22 I will declare thy name unto my...
  3. JonShaff

    How was Christ Forsaken?

    Simple yes or no will suffice, Do you believe God will abandon or desert you, even for a short time?
  4. JonShaff

    How was Christ Forsaken?

    Not trying to be harsh, but have you read Psalm 22? It was an indictment on the unbelieving Jews and lines up perfectly with Matthew's account (and the other Gospels as well). Read it in it's entirety...Psalm 22:24 being pretty proof positive evidence (and the Resurrection) that God did not...
  5. JonShaff

    How was Christ Forsaken?

    I'm sorry you do not understand. I am not sure i know how else to explain it. God Did not Forsake His Son, therefore, we can have the assurance that God will never forsake us. It's that simple.
  6. JonShaff

    We need more christian colleges like Liberty, more christian leaders like Falwell Jr.

    And there in lies the confusion, "morally superior" does not mean Christian.
  7. JonShaff

    How was Christ Forsaken?

    Read 1 Peter. Chapter 2 20 But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. 21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you...
  8. JonShaff

    How was Christ Forsaken?

    Psalm 22:24 Not too mention, God our Father Raised His Son from the Dead--not to be "philosophical", but Even when it "went dark", God Still did not abandon His Son. God will never Forsake His Own.
  9. JonShaff

    How was Christ Forsaken?

    Could it be you fail to see?
  10. JonShaff

    We need more christian colleges like Liberty, more christian leaders like Falwell Jr.

    I think conservatists have confused conservatism with Christianity.
  11. JonShaff

    How was Christ Forsaken?

    And that's Christ's message to us. We are not forsaken no matter the affliction. He is faithful. 1 Peter has this theme throughout. 1 Peter 2:21-23 (KJV) For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: Who did no...
  12. JonShaff

    How was Christ Forsaken?

    It's my opinion that if they read all of Ch. 22 slowly in the context of the cross they would not believe Christ was forsaken.
  13. JonShaff

    How was Christ Forsaken?

    He is quoting Psalm 22, I'd check out the entire Psalm and then make a conclusion. I'd hate to make an entire doctrine off of one verse, not in context (particularly the verses prior to). To cut to the chase...He was proclaiming the fulfillment of this Psalm and Judgment upon the Jews. At the...
  14. JonShaff

    How was Christ Forsaken?

    1 John 2 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born...
  15. JonShaff

    How was Christ Forsaken?

    @Yeshua1 Dear brother, let me suggest to you, as i do for myself as well, start studying the Bible for yourself and stop regurgitating ridiculous statements made by those who believe themselves to be wise.
  16. JonShaff

    How was Christ Forsaken?

    God was faithful to Jesus, yet forsook Him....Quite the contradiction. Synonyms for forsake--abandon, leave, disown. So, theologically speaking. Would it be more accurate to say, "God did not forsake His Son, therefore He would never forsake us." Or "God forsook His Son, so he will never...
  17. JonShaff

    How was Christ Forsaken?

    Sorry, brother, but That makes no sense at all.
  18. JonShaff

    How was Christ Forsaken?

    Are you a son of God? Will God forsake you? If He forsook Jesus, what makes you think He won't forsake you?
  19. JonShaff

    How was Christ Forsaken?

    A lot of people like the song "How deep the Father's love for us" and have imparted it into their theology... "The Father turns His face away..." But what does the Holy Writ have to say? Psalm 22:24 24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid...
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