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And the other side of the coin? We believe the Scripture proves the heresies were committed by the Church evolving into apostasy.

You're a nice guy, Cathode, and I like you and agree with some of the things you believe. But I don't agree with the general theology of the RCC. We try to show you why, it's not like we don't have a reason.

I've said it many times over the years, God is in the sending business. The book of Acts is filled with, "and God sent..." And the sending was with a specific purpose to take the Gospel to someone.

My conversation on the matter was before the Cross, even the soon to be apostles didn't understand the Gospel. After the Cross I agree the decree came that faith in Christ and what He did was demanded and that knowledge came through the Gospel.

Traditions of men, totally ignoring Scripture! Col. 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."

The moral to this story, lol, if you find a concept between the lines in Scripture, Don't present it to JonC, you may get your feelings hurt!

I believe that many Churches in America would not accept Paul's rebukes.

@Cathode You really need to understand what Paul was talking about In Acts 19:1-7, when he asked those 12 men if they had received the Holy Spirit since they believed. I'll explain it for you, bear with me. Acts 19:1-7 "And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having...

That's right! I believe in believers baptism as a symbol of the baptism that saved me. I believe we receive the Holy Spirit as Paul said in Eph. 1:13.

Cathode, we Baptists argue about many things but water baptism is not one of them.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Give me some credit on that there stubbornness!

Not going to argue, Jon. I have respect for your position as I have already mentioned.

Well, we disagree, but I'm not going to argue, K.

Yes, I agree with that. But as @JonC has keep saying it's a concept not actually written in black an white. While I do agree with the concept, at the same time I give Jon credit for sticking by the stuff, as we Southerners say.

That's one of the many reasons I'm a (non-Calvinist) Independent Baptist.

I certainly believe in Penal Substitution, but not in the Calvinist way. I believe it's available to all of mankind!

So that everyone understands and are not misled. "Doing good" is a matter of works, but works can be directed in 2 ways. We can set our minds to works to get saved or we can set our minds to works because we are saved. If we set our minds to do works to get saved we have made a grave...

I tend to spit out what roles from the head, having already discussed this topic many, many times.

I guess it's obvious I don't pay that much attention to proper grammar.