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Interesting story you have there, Jon! It reminds me of the main theme in a Book I have sitting here on my desk, the One that says Holy Bible. Wicked Bob was bought with a price that he had no control of, he was bought by mercy and grace, something he didn't deserve, but God had a special...

Yes, there is a great controversy since no one is controlling the printing of it. Largely considered the domain of the public. But my post was more/less a thought leaked out against my better judgment after the fact.

We can believe it because it's written in Scripture, in several places. If you have doubts of the authenticity of the Scripture, well, any wind can blow you.

@Cathode Would you say Catholicism has changed considerably since the Reformation took solid ground? Be honest you're not going to be assassinated. At least not by me.

Well that sounds nice and I hope everything works out.

Is that the updated version?

Not hardly, I've never understood it.

I guess it's just about got to be that way.

I doubt God see's it that way considering what His Son did for man and then He's rejected.

That was back when Satan carried a pitchfork.

We won't be the same as we are now after the judgment is over. We will be like Christ and the thought of sin will be like it was in the Garden in the beginning before sin came into the world, there will be none. You and I will be on our knees casting our many crowns at the feet of Christ...

That's not what your early Popes said! When did it change, or would you like for me to show you?

I forget? Which religious organization is it that claims the Church is salvation?

Ok, Brother, we have no problem! I just hope you can have an idea of why I do stand with PSA. And if you can't, we are still good!

I've considered Cathode to be a reliable source of Catholicism in the past, but you fall short of the mark, Walter.

Say what? Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence (A.D. 1438 - 1445): "[The most Holy Roman Church] firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal...

God cannot speak away the free will of man to sin! He freely gave free will to Adam and Eve and they used it to sin. God knew this would happen, but that sin comes with a price, The Law of Sin and Death. In order to save man from his sin, God created another Law according to His plan for man...

God could speak the universe into existence, why do you think He didn't speak the sin of man away in the same fashion? Did His Laws before the foundation of the world allow for sin to be spoken away?

God said in the Law "it is the blood that atones for the soul." It was the blood of an innocent animal but represented the Blood of Christ. That tells me God demands the blood of man for his sin, in other words death. Man had no way out with God but death for his sin. To keep from destroying...

We agree on what it takes to enter His Kingdom. I can afford to be wrong on the details of the atonement. But I don't think I am, lol.