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What you are promoting is the calvinist version not the biblical version of salvation. The only "elect One" prior to creation was Christ Jesus. We are only elect when we have been placed into Christ through faith.

As Paul told us: We are saved by grace through faith. He also made it clear that faith in not a work. Man cannot earn his salvation by good works but his salvation is based on the condition that he trust in God for his salvation. That is biblical salvation.

As I said it is their opinion that it is a doctrinally accurate summary of what Scripture teaches. They wrote a confess that reflects the theological position that they hold. Since you hold the same view you agree with it but that does not means that the majority of Christians have to agree...

Did not say it did Z. As I said \: The writers of the LBCF were using Rom 5:6 and Rom 8:7 as support for their view as would be expected. But to ignore the rest of scripture is to deny the word of God and the purpose of the gospel message itself.

I would say we are both old school, preach the gospel and let the Holy Spirit do His work on the lost. I am so tired of the "fire insurance" or "get out of hell" type of preaching. If you have to scare people into trusting in God then are they really trusting in God?

This may shock you but I know that the LBCF is just an updated WCF. Did I say conjured up, NO. But it is still just their opinion. They were writing a confession to support their calvinist view. The scripture was picked because they thought it supported that view. Where do you get the idea...

Dave I agree that going to either extreme is not biblical. Man sins and left to himself I do not see how or why they would just choose God But thankfully God has not left us alone. He has provided many ways for us to know Him. As we have seen and heard lately many people in closed countries...

Regarding the LBCF quote "Paragraph 3. Man, by his fall into a state of sin, has wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; 4 " 4 Rom. 5:6, 8:7 The writers of the LBCF were using Rom 5:6 and Rom 8:7 as support for their view as would be expected. But to...

OK so what are you trying to say? God chose us by His grace through faith or are you saying He chose us unto faith?

So what point are you trying to make? Are you saying that what Van said is wrong? If so why?

Have to agree with your comment KY "EGAD! Please no, Lord!" Why would we want to join a nation that is tearing itself apart?

But what the LBCF Ch 9 gives us is just man's opinion. It has more to do with supporting a particular theological view than it does with the word of God or with human reality. God has provided various means to draw man to Himself but according to the LBCF it is impossible for man to respond to...

Well I read through the LBCF Chap 9 on free will and what they call free will is not actual free will is it. It presents a false understanding of what free will is. The calvinist free will is just the free will to do what has been determined for him to do. According to Paragraph 3. "Man, by his...

I know you are not making the claim that the LBCF of is to be considered scripture. But pointing to that does not deal with what was said in the post does it.

@Zaatar71 you need to learn how to read. I do not see "elect" in that verse. I think you need to get a better translation as that one seems to have a lot of mistakes in it. Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, Rom 5:2...

Ken you give me your calvinist talking points but scripture does not support your view. This has been pointed out on this board many many times. No one was saved prior to creation although God did foreknow all those that would freely trust in Him. If one is regenerated by the Holy Spirit...

I said "Sure the cross comes first but we do not stop at the cross do we. Without the resurrection none can be saved. It is not Christ on the cross or Christ in the grave but the risen Christ that saves." And your reply was to say that was a one trick pony. Isn't your calvinist view that we...

Not sure why you would say what you do KY. @Charlie24 just asked what was the basis of any assurance you were saved? Calvinism cannot logically bring assurance to those who are consistent within its systematic. Even Calvinists affirm that there are people who sincerely believe they will be...

Ken is is obvious the man does not save himself from the verse that I posted. Where you error is when you say your "elect " were chose B4 creation. That is not biblical but it is calvinist. Those that are saved are as the bible says by grace through faith. Those that hear and believe the...

Ken those verses do not help you saved before one believes position. As the bible says we are saved by grace through faith. For your position to be biblical that text should have read this way, we are saved by grace unto faith. But it does not so it is obvious that your view is wrong.