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    Thoughts on John 19:30

    I doubt you are much older than Iam (73), but if your eyesight is defective, then by all means use a bigger font, and please accept my apologies. I don't think it is. Our Lord knew that everything was accomplished (from the Greek teleo), so He declared, "It is finished!" (from the Greek...
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    Thoughts on John 19:30

    Yep! Nothing to say that the devil had anything to do with our Lord's death on the cross. Nice Scripture though.
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    Divine Justice

    If you could possibly find a way to quote me, or if you could find some Scripture to give us to support your point, that might give you some credibility. But as it is, I'm afraid you have none. You continually accuse me of following Calvin, when in fact I have read very little of him as I...
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    Divine Justice

    Quite right! Good post! There is another couple of verses from the Psalms that are helpful here. Psalm 60:1-3. 'O God, You have cast us off; You have broken us down; You have been displeased; Oh, restore us again! You have made the earth tremble; You have broken it; heal its breaches, for it...
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    Divine Justice

    As so often, you have it exactly back to front. The Lord Jesus willingly pays the penalty for our sins, and then God removes our sins from us. Thereby God is just and the justifier of sinners. This is not philosophy, it's theology 101. I have no time to post more, but this is really all that...
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    Thoughts on John 19:30

    I will just repeat what I said to @Van: writing in big print does not make what you say any more correct. Obviously I agree with all the Scripture you have posted, none of which, of course, contradicts Isaiah 53:10 and Acts 4:28, but I note that there is no mention of Satan in any of them.
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    Thoughts on John 19:30

    First of all, writing in big print does not make one's argument any stronger. 'Therefore' applies to verses 28 & 29: 'After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished.....' After fulfilling the last prophecy concerning Him that could be fulfilled before His death, He could now...
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    Thoughts on John 19:30

    There is no text that says that the devil killed the Lord Jesus, much less that he pierced Him. And Satan having the power of death refers to his bringing death into the world through his seduction of Adam and Eve. Satan can do nothing without the permission of God, as Job could tell you (Job...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Exactly! You may say, I will clarify. By "the biblical text" I literally mean the text of the Bible.' but in fact you rightly compare Scripture with Scripture and realise that the text cannot be taken at face value, even though vast numbers of Roman Catholics disagree with you. I do the same...
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    Thoughts on John 19:30

    I have answered this so many times. It was what God did. 'He was pierced for our transgressions.' Pierced by whom? By God (Isaiah 53:10 etc.). If you only look at the text of Scripture as you claim, why are you even asking the question? But to give the answer once again, if He had not done...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Well then, again I ask you why you are not a Roman Catholic. 'This is My body.' It's in the Biblical text, more than once. Why don't you believe it? I do not believe that Jesus suffered God's wrath if you mean by that that God was angry with Him.. :Rolleyes Once again, it was God Himself...
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    The Perfect Church

    Hi @Ascetic X Welcome to the BB. :) I think it's really important to be a member of a church (Hebrews 10:25), and I'm sorry to hear that you have had bad experiences. As a Brit, I can't really advise you, but I do suggest that you not be too picky. There is a saying that if you ever find a...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    The simple answer here is that I don't have a "philosophy." I just seek to understand and apply the Scriptures. I'm not sure that your understanding of the Scriptures is sane.:Tongue Well you should be, because that is NOT my understanding. Because I look at a whole variety of Scriptures and...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    @JonC, Don't you think you owe the board an explanation, if not an apology? Do you think that Calvinism is another form of Roman Catholicism or don't you? Why should we believe anything you say when you contradict yourself in less than a day?
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Because that is what the Bible teaches. If God wanted to do things another way, He would have done it another way. But at the same time, as I have pointed out to you many times, God cannot deny Himself. If His word says, as it does, that He is 'by no means clearing the guilty,' that means...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Post #92. Post #101. Don't you think you owe the board just a teensy-weensy apology for misleading it?
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    I think you'll find that you did, on this very thread, less than 24 hours ago in your post #92. Here you are! Are you suffering from short-term memory loss, or are you being deceitful? The law makes no "demands" on God. He gave the law! And God will not deny Himself (2 Timothy 2:13). God...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    Of course God forgives those who trust in Christ and repent. But it is only on the basis that Christ has taken our sins upon Himself and paid the penalty for them It's in the Biblical text as I have shown you several times. My belief is in the Bible. You can't tell me what you think the...
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    An Alternate View (to the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement

    It is, of course, in the text - several times. You just won't accept them which is your problem, not mine. However, see below. And I have asked you what the Bible says and you can't tell me. It is very poor theology to demand a verse that proves something. As I have asked you before, why...
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