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In addition to all the exegetical evidence given in my OP and throughout the comments, I offer this post on my blog as additional evidence that the unsaved will be literally burned to ashes.

It's so much easier for us who believe that "perish" means "perish".

I'm not sure. I've studied it some, and as you've seen I've posted one post about it on my own blog, but I have not studied Cal/Arm issues in anywhere near the same depth as Conditional Immortality. Also, I feel like relatively speaking there are vastly more people speaking truth on that issue...

If your exegesis is so solid, there should be no need for ad hominem arguments mixed into your comments. These distract from your evidence, rather than support it.

First, thanks for helping me with the typo! I don't want to risk side tracking this discussion by bringing up the Calvinism vs. Arminianism topic. But if you're interested in my view, you can read a post on my blog. If my blog post does not answer your question, would you consider sending me...

As I've kept up with this discussion, I've noticed something about the case for eternal conscious torment. To a large extent it seems to depend on arguing that words in our English translations of the Bible do not have the normal, every day meaning people usually give to them. In defending...

You are referring to comment #107. I did NOT say that only Christians are living at the last trumpet. Here is what I actually wrote: I always thought that the unsaved on the earth at the end of this age would either be destroyed during the destruction of the earth and then raised to face...

My Summary of This Encouraging Discussion My opening post began by briefly explaining the doctrine of Conditional Immortality, which can be summed up with this graphic: This doctrine is very controversial among evangelicals. It has prompted a lot of discussion. In theory, there could have...

They say great minds think alike, and apparently so do ours! :) What I mean is that I have often printed out lists of the "one anothering" verses and discussed them in Bible studies. We come to the Lord individually, but Christianity is certainly meant to be a group thing, a team effort, and a...

As we have passed 100 comments, I'm aware that this thread may soon be closed for further comments. I appreciate the wisdom of the administrators to often close threads to more comments around this point as in many cases the comments do seem to become less helpful at some point. So at this...

Does this really apply to the unredeemed? Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. (1 Cor. 15:51-52...

Just because there is a rare exception to the rule, namely that the redeemed who are alive at the time of Christ will not experience death, does not mean that physical death is not the "first death" which is implied by the phrase "second death". For example, the Bible says: ESV Hebrews 9:27...

"encourage one another" (1 Thessalonians 4:18) I understand that this is a discussion forum, and that the nature of such forums is that they focus on controversial material. If you've followed some of my other threads, you will see that I believe that discussion of controversial material can...

Aaron, I feel like you have really taken my quote out of context. That quote comes from comment #65, and in that comment I go on to explain that I believe the "first death" is based on the "second death". My point, which perhaps I could have made more clear, is that "first death" is not a...

Have you considered how the Psalms relate to our discussion? The Language of Annihilation in the Psalms Many of the God’s great truths which are explicitly seen in the New Testament when Christ is revealed are foreshadowed in poetic language in the Psalms. The Psalms are filled with Holy...

Biblicist, I appreciate your commitment to the Bible as our source of truth and understanding, as shown by your choice of a Forum Name and also by your focus on the text of the Bible in comments. One of the things I really like about BaptistForums is that most people here seem to share this...

So, in your view, how long does the "second death" last? When does it end?

What God Did NOT Want to Happen Another strong piece of evidence against eternal conscious punishment is found in the account of the fall of mankind: ESV Genesis 3:22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand...

I completely agree that a "second death" implies a first one, as can be seen by reading the rest of the comment you partly quoted.

ESV Jude 1:7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. The simple answer is that while the fire may be eternal, the people consumed by it are...