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So why would God's servants have to plead for ones to become reconciled to God if God and God alone is the one who reconciles people to himself?

So how do you deal with Paul when he says, "Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God." 2 Cor 5:20 Isn't that Paul telling them that yes THEY have something to do? If Calvinism were correct...

I get that but I'm not going to go down the road to talk about that right now. The fact is God was grieved these people were not believing. Why would he be grieved if the believing capacity was totally and absolutely his place to impart? So the OP puts it out as one must believe before they...

Problem with all your descriptions above of course as a Calvinist you put it down that God puts the believing in the person but going through the scriptures we see a different story. One verse for example Numb 14:11 puts the blame of not believing upon man. And the LORD said unto Moses, How...

Didn't mean they couldn't have. This verse you're quoting from has Stephen rebuking the religious leaders as stiff-necked with their hearts and ears uncircumcised. I think you better read Deut 10:16 where it states, "Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no longer stubborn."...

And I like how you put that. Certain subjects. No reason we can't be cordial and kind to one another even though were at odds with this. We probably do have a lot of other things in common we agree upon. :Thumbsup :Cool

And yet 1 Cor 1:26 says it is. None of those scriptures negate the fact that men don't have a choice to receive or not receive. With all due respect you merely add what you think into the texts. Well that settles the issue then doesn't it. If God showed you sometime well by gosh that means...

Well Dave doesn't that all depends on what one believes God said? If God said I've decided and this is my way that anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved and whosoever will may come than that is the FINAL SAY. Is he going to change his plan, system or method in how salvation...

Yes if God just picked the elect whether or no and that's it , it shouldn't make a difference. But it does. The other posters have quoted 1 Cor 1:26 and Matt 19:25–26 insinuating that God will still get his way as in what's impossible with men is possible with God. Have they taken the verse out...

All very true Benjamin. The Dems I think are in a sort of a bind. Opposition parties aren't held as responsible to achieve things as much as those in power. They're glad they've won the House but it does come with a problem. They have to get down to business and start achieving things YES with...

Well Dave I'll let lurkers decide is what anything you say above has any connection whatsoever to my post # 93. Sorry but as for me you purposely didn't even seek to give a fair and reasonable answer. It just seemed you wanted to say something to say something and move on. No they don't. The...

I'm well aware of that but aren't you're willingly choosing to miss the point? The point is not every single person unsaved is wanting to eat up God's people like bread. Some people are content with having a "to each their own" or "live and let live" mentality. Yes that's worldly wisdom but it...

Well you see right there though you went off and quoted something out of context. It seems Calvinists do this all the time with Rom 1. Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was...

You're taking it literally? Really? Or are you really picking and choosing from those very Psalms what fits your doctrine to take literally. You don't believe the ungodly eat up God's children like bread. You don't believe it's saying they're cannibals. You don't believe that the sinner doesn't...

Dave much appreciated if you'd respond to what I said about this below. You said this ==> Because it was necessary to speak the Gospel first to the Jews as a nation ( Acts of the Apostles 13:46 ), and then it would go forth to the Gentiles. What really does that have to do with Jesus...

OK Dave and thanks. The Romans passage Paul was considering verses like Ps 14 & Ps 53 where David was using poetry and hyperbally to express his frustration of many not serving God. Was he talking about these things in an absolute literal senses? When he said in Ps 14 :4 that the ungodly eat...

Do scriptures like you quote in Romans mean that absolutely no one seeks God? Or is he rather just giving a list of things sinners can be prone to do or not do? Does each and every sinner do they have a mouth full of cursing? Are their feet swift to shed blood? If we say nobody in the country...

I hope as well they'll have the rude awakening. I think they've failed greatly in even coming close to understanding how to be a credible opposition and to gain respect from the people. It seems the ONLY plank in their platform is to resist and the voice of the people always has been shut up and...

Nope Dave. It's really if they choose not to listen to his voice. Such makes them not his sheep not something long before predetermined. In fact to one and all LOOK....to the very ones he said in Jn 10:26 that they were not his sheep he gave an encouragement 12 verses later to become such! Do...

I read an interesting thing concerning this, is many times before a great deliverance things will have an appearance of getting worse. When God led Moses to do what he did before Pharaoh, the Pharaoh commanded the Hebrews slaves make bricks with no straw provided. It was a command to dishearten...