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I honestly felt as if what I just wrote answered this exact question. I'm sorry I am not clear, but I do not know how to state it more plainly. The first goal in hermeneutics is to find the intention of the author in HIS OWN CONTEXT, so that you apply his meaning rightly in YOUR OWN CONTEXT.

Hey, biblicist. A friend sent me a link to this post and honestly I'm swamped with everything so I don't have time to interact with all these points, but I will attempt to rebut what I perceive to be the root of your misunderstanding of my view (or at least my misunderstanding of your...

Did you read what I wrote? I ask because if what I said is true and God's sovereignty is (AS DEFINED) only related to his control over that which is created, then nothing about his eternal nature WOULD CHANGE even after creation. If sovereignty is an eternal attribute then a change would be...

I don't see how you are engaging with my actual argument given that I affirm God sovereignty... His level of meticulous control over creation is subject to Him and Him alone. Would you have us believe God could not have created a world that where He is not in meticulous deterministic control...

Its a definition that is found in most, if not all, theological dictionaries. If you'd like to present an alternative definition please do so... otherwise why object to the definition offered? Sophomoric? It's at least Junior or Senior level. lol

That doesn't match the definition given. Sovereignty is not His control over himself or how he does things. Sovereignty is His control over CREATION thus unless you believe creation is eternally existent then the attribute (according to that definition) has to be temporal (contingent on His...

I was about to reply to Jdf and then I saw this... enough said. BTW, I have had to put Theo on my ignore list for reasons I'd rather not discuss. If someone would like to present a reasoned biblical rebuttal I would be more that happy to reply, but I refuse to engage in the mud slinging...

I presented the definition of sovereignty (which is universally accepted) and simply applied the truth of that definition. Sovereignty is a temporal attribute because it is contingent upon God's relation to another (his power over creation). God's eternal attribute is his omnipotence. God...

Sorry I've been missing in action guys, but have been busy with my studies, family, work etc.... I did have a article picked up by SBCToday if anyone is interested in it.... www.sbctoday.com It is my story... Blessings! Here is a link directly to the article...

God doesn't take anything back but his patience toward you may be limited to a time, where in which the scripture says you will be "given over." The scripture warns not to allow our hearts to grow hardened, but it no where suggests we are born already totally hardened as your so-called dead...

I think I've said all that needs to be said on John 6... Maybe I'm wrong, but won't God have the be the one to convince me of that? :-) In other words, I have nothing to add to what I've already said on the matter. Eventually there comes a point in a discussion on any one point that the two...

Not sure what that has to do with the OP? :confused:

I recently listened to a message by Piper where he quoted AW Tozer in order to introduce the doctrines of Calvinism... Ironic given Tozer's view on the subject...

If I may, allow me to rephrase this objection. Forgive me if its not representative of what you were attempting to address, but I do think it is relevant. When men come to believe that they are not really RESPONSE-ABLED then they tend to act irresponsibly. For example, what I see happening...

Deterministic Calvinists often use examples of God's active role in bringing wrath against sin to prove that God likewise takes an active role in determining the sin that deserves such wrath. Calvinists do this with Calvary too, by pointing to God's active role in bringing about redemption in...

One more thing Willis... Which of the two examples below is more impressive to you? 1. A Chess player who ensures victory by playing both sides of the board...determining his "opponents" moves by the same hand he determines his own. OR 2. A Chess Master who is so wise, so good, so fast, so...

Quite the opposite from my perspective. I agree with Tozer who wrote: "God sovereignly decreed that man should be free to exercise moral choice, and man from the beginning has fulfilled that decree by making his choice between good and evil. When he chooses to do evil, he does not thereby...

Natural state? Did Mother nature make that state? Who, if not God, decides the 'natural state' of anything?

Sounds like your saying that 'neglect' is too soft a word...as it seems the non-elect would WISH for mere neglect when in reality they are going to get his relentless hatred and torture, right? I have heard Calvinists reference 'passing over' the non-elect to let them go their own way. In...

I realize this author is not supportive of Calvinism, but would Calvinists here agree with him that this is a correct summary of our contention? Evangelical leaders, such as John Piper, Mark Driscoll, Matt Chandler, Tim Keller and many other influential teachers are all promoting John Calvin’s...