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So, Go PERMITTED man to become totally unable to willingly respond to His own revelation? Is that an accurate summary?

Good, I'm not either. :) We have something in common. Exactly! I'm glad we agree. What did I say specifically that you disagree with? You started the post saying you don't agree with those two statement and now you seem to take issue with the last statement? Which is it? Do you affirm...

Well said! :thumbs: Let him who has ears to hear be so edified. :)

You can just call it a false dichotomy and present the correct alternative. Sometimes it appears that one perspective as just two alternatives and that often becomes evident when that so-called 3rd alternative is proven to say virtually the exact same thing as one of the alternatives presented...

Well, the fact that they won't even address the so-called "personal achievements" of one who has been regenerated in their own system proves their unwillingness to be objective about this. They want to paint me as some brat going around gloating that I know more about God than others because I...

Good question, you tell me. Did God decide that all men would be born totally depraved as a result of the fall, or was that beyond his control?

P4T has painted me as a boogie man monster in his mind and there is just no changing that. He is going to continue to respond to me with this kind of rancor and lack of objectivity. Some other new poster, especially a Reformed one, could sign on and virtually say the same things and he'd at...

Who, if not God, decided that the consequence of the Fall would result in the loss of man's ability to willingly respond to God's revelation? Was this the only option available to God, in that He could not help that the result of sin would leave all men totally depraved to the point of being...

One more thing... Ok, I'm glad you brought up this example. So, God is like the uncle who gives away one million dollars to you. So, you boast or glory in the fact that you know this uncle as you reveal the unmerited blessing he gave you. What's wrong with that? I've never argued that you...

BTW, Luke, don't you believe that you are the one who repents and believes AFTER and AS A DIRECT RESULT of God's effectual work of regeneration? I mean, you personally are STILL the one DOING those things, right? So, why is what you do personally, even as a result of divine effectual causes...

Biblicist, you ignored posts 287 and 290 in order to repeat your same unfounded arguments.

Is there such thing as a 'personal achievement' in the CAlvinism world view, ever? I think your answer will reveal the point of contention between us. The divine phrase, "Well done my good and faithful servant," doesn't really exist in a Calvinistic world view, which is is why I know this...

Seeking is the biblical word, I'm sorry you have a problem with the word God chose. He apparently doesn't have an issue with us thinking him as seeking or patiently waiting for those who Worship Him. You have a problem with God and scripture, not me.

In debate one is called to VET or PRESS their opponents position. Sometimes we do this by asking pressing questions, and those questions are meant to highlight the weakness of the argument being presented. That is the nature of a debate. If one argues, as you have, that the nature of sin...

Has any Calvinist personally achieved anything, ever? I'm pretty sure normal, objective Calvinists, ones not in the heat of a debate where they are bent on strawmanning a monster, would admit that they do in fact have personal achievements. They would just give glory to God for those personal...

Ok, so let's plug that into your initial quote so I can 'follow you': "If "personal achievement" has been given then you did not achieve "personal achievement." It is really that simple." That sentence doesn't make a lot of sense, but it seems you are attempting to argue that if God...

Obviously. I affirmed this in a previous post which clearly you two aren't even bothering to actually read anymore. Are you actually so far caught up into your straw man delusion of me that you think I would deny that God has to reveal himself in order for us to know Him??? Seriously? Come...

I never suggested otherwise. We are talking about boasting in what God has made known to us about himself, not in being elected before the foundation of the earth. You are now confounding two separate issues to attempt to build a case against me rather than actually discussing my content...

I think Calvinists are good honest God honoring believers who REALLY genuinely believe with all their hearts that what they teach is of God and in accordance with the scripture. I believe that think non-Calvinism robs God of glory due only to Him, and so they have a really righteous motive...

That's over the top. Sorry, but I was a Calvinist long enough to at least know that isn't the case... I'm not going to create a boogie man out of them regardless of how they might try to create one out of me.