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You hold to limited atonement Reynolds? I didnt see that comin. Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk

Who moved the evil agent to commit evil is what I'm trying to get. Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk

See this where I struggle cause it truly appears to me you want it both ways. Did God cause the fall or did God allow the fall. He knew it would happen either way, but did God move the pieces. Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk

I didn't mean at that time, going forward I'm sure my views won't be very intellectual compared to the rest of everyone. Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk

For sure, but I think the disconnect here is when you say (as a calvinist) God used Satan. I hear influenced, moved or willed. God may forknow future events and have plans to make them good. Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk

Negative. Forknowing is not determining. I can watch a child behave and not influence the child. God simply is able to see events ahead of time. Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk

I think God knew Adam would fall of his free choices prior to creation but God went ahead with creating life anyway. I certainly don't claim to be a scholar and you are free to redicule my beliefs all day. Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk

So God used Satan to deceive Adam to go and eat and cause the fall? Was Adam free to reject this offer? Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk

I really appreciate the well written response. Just so I am clear. God moved the chess piece in regards to the fall. One last time for clarity God stirred Adam to go and eat Would that be fair to say represents your views? I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I really think it's important...

May I ask an aside question. Theres quite a few calvinists in here and I'm getting all sorts of different vibes on how we're describing free will. So may I ask. In calvinism. Did God predestinate and predetermine that Adam would fall in the garden. Or did Adam do it of his own free choice...

I wish I could like this post twice. Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk

This part of the forum would be so quiet lol! Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk

Don't Calvinists believe that when someone is effectually called they come "most freely" "as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.[8]" Westminster Confession of Faith Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk

The threads coming to close so I will quickly just say thanks to everyone thats posted. Lots for me to go back and read and re read. All the best,

Hm. The date of the writing of revelation does seem to be... A problem lol hm. More to study tonight. Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk

Some sorta osas arminian over here. Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk

Question from the audience. Why do you think Matthew uses kosmos then? I'm with ya on Luke and revelation but why is Matthew different? Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk

Really enjoying the read in here - thank you to the supporters.

This was really interesting and enlightening. Thank you. Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk

To be fair. That's not what was said. There was acknowledgement and then a return question on how luke uses a differing word. Sent from my CLT-L04 using Tapatalk