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    How Many here Like Gender inclusive translations?

    "If we're dealing with a text in which the reference is generic/inclusive, then the translation must reflect the same generic/inclusive reference if it is to be accurate....True, some passages are disputed as to whether or not they are generic/inclusive, but the debate then must be exegetical...
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    How Many here Like Gender inclusive translations?

    The standard spelling is adelphoi. Pardon me, my fone is ringing.
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    How Many here Like Gender inclusive translations?

    It's better to be anachronistic, than to be using archaic expressions.
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    How Many here Like Gender inclusive translations?

    So when the CSB use the words 'brothers and sisters' -- does that mean the principle of optimal equivalence has been compromised? In those instances is the principle reduced to merely minimal equivalence? In the book of 1 Corinthians the CSB uses the term 24 times. Even the NLT uses it only 21...
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    The NIV In Comparison to the ESV. Part 3

    Besides the over-abundance of 'ands" that proliferate the landscape of Matthew in the ESV, 'beholds' are ever present. Here is a listing of the times that these translations use the word 'behold' in the book of Matthew: Mounce : 9 NABRE : 29 NKJV : 36 ESV : 40 NASB : 42 KJV : 60 LEB : 60 WEB ...
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    The NIV In Comparison to the ESV. Part 3

    Matthew 27:4 ESV : See to it yourself. NIV : That's your responsibility. 27:7 ESV : So they took counsel NIV : So they decided 27:9 ESV : the price of him on whom a price had been set NIV : the price set on him 27:13 ESV : Do you not hear NIV : Don't you hear 27:17 ESV : Whom do you want...
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    The NIV In Comparison to the ESV. Part 3

    Matthew 25:20 ESV : you delivered to me five talents NIV : you entrusted me with five bags of gold 25:26 ESV : slothful servant! NIV : lazy servant! 26:2 ESV : will be delivered up NIV : will be handed over 26:4 ESV : by stealth NIV : secretly 26:5 ESV : lest NIV : or 26:7 ESV : reclined...
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    The NIV In Comparison to the ESV. Part 3

    Matthew 20:3 ESV : the third hour NIV : nine in the morning 20:5 ESV : the sixth hour and the ninth hour NIV : about noon and about three in the afternoon 20:6 ESV : about the eleventh hour NIV : about five in the afternoon 20:13 ESV : Did you not agree NIV : Didn't you agree 20:15 ESV ...
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    The NIV In Comparison to the ESV. Part 3

    Matthew 16:9 ESV : Do you not yet perceive? Do you not remember NIV : Do you still not understand? Don't you remember 17:19 ESV : Why could we not cast it out? NIV : Why couldn't we drive it out? 17:24 ESV : Does your teacher not pay the tax? NIV : Doesn't your teacher pay the temple tax...
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    The NIV In Comparison to the ESV. Part 3

    Matthew 12:3 ESV : Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, and those who were with him NIV : Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 12:5 ESV : have you not read NIV : haven't you read 13:38 ESV : the sons of the evil one NIV : the people of the...
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    The NIV In Comparison to the ESV. Part 3

    Matthew 6:2 ESV : Thus NIV : So 6:34 ESV : Sufficient for the day is its own trouble NIV : Each day has enough trouble of its own 7:1 ESV : Judge not, that you be not judged NIV : Do not judge, or you too will be judged 7:27 ESV : great was the fall of it NIV : it fell with a great crash...
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    The NIV In Comparison to the ESV. Part 3

    Matthew 5:9 ESV : they shall be called sons of God NIV : for they will be called children of God 5:19 ESV : whoever relaxes NIV : anyone who sets aside 5:21 ESV : to those of old...will be liable to judgment NIV : to the people long ago...will be subject to judgment 5:22 ESV : the hell of...
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    The NIV In Comparison to the ESV. Part 3

    Matthew 1:19 ESV : a just man NIV : faithful to the law 1:21 ESV : She will bear a son NIV : She will give birth to a son 1:25 ESV : but knew her not NIV : But he did not consummate their marriage 2:4 ESV : he inquired of them NIV : he asked them 2:7 ESV : summoned...ascertained NIV ...
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    How Many here Like Gender inclusive translations?

    "...generics are notionally plural, meaning they refer to people in general. 'Those who work hard will succeed' means the same as 'A person who works hard will succeed.' Only a wooden literalist would claim that the first sentence means 'groups' who work hard will succeed. Any ordinary English...
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    How Many here Like Gender inclusive translations?

    "Evidence that pluralizing does not necessarily distort the meaning of the text comes from the Bible itself, since biblical writers sometimes translate masculine singular generics with plural constructions. Consider these examples, where the apostle Paul quotes from the Old Testament: Old...
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    The NIV In Comparison to the ESV. Part 3

    And,and, and, and, and, and, and ad infinitum. I made a thread about this subject years ago. The occurrence of the word 'and' permeates the ESV, but especially so in the book of Mark. I have counted only the first word of the opening sentence in all the verses in the book of Mark. Of course in...
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    The NIV In Comparison to the ESV. Part 3

    Mark 9:28 ESV : Why could we not cast it out? NIV : Why couldn't we drive it out? 10: 7 ESV : hold fast to his wife NIV : be united to his wife 14:60 ESV : Have you no answer to make? NIV : Are you not going to answer? 14:65 ESV : the guards received him with blows NIV : the guards took him...
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    The NIV In Comparison to the ESV. Part 3

    Mark 1:2 ESV : before hyour face NIV : ahead of you 2:15 ESV : reclined at table NIV : having dinner 3:28 ESV : children of man NIV : people 4:33 ESV : With many such parables NIV : With many similar parables 5:29 ESV : the flow of blood dried up NIV : bleeding stopped 6:5 ESV : he could...
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    The NIV In Comparison to the ESV. Part 3

    Do you hang out with Tonto, Yoda or both? Do they speak like you do in your neighborhood?
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    How Many here Like Gender inclusive translations?

    Y-1, you have not answered my post #89. It's an easy to understand query.
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