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    Rapture Question

    Hi 37818, I’ve been thinking about what you said about the Mass being “unbiblical” and that it needs to be explained. You are right in that I need to prove that it is. I don’t want to get off track from the main subject of the thread which has to do with the Rapture so I’m trying to find a way...
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    Rapture Question

    My Comment: The 144k in Apoc 14:1 we see as christians, on the ground, going through the Tribulation. The “Seal” could be the Sacrament of Confirmation that gives the strength to endure suffering and death. My Comment: Job died physically. I’m not totally sure what you mean by the rest. Are...
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    Rapture Question

    Hi All, While discussing the Rapture, why bring up Baptism? In Posts #61 and 62 it was suggested that the Last Supper (Holy Sacrifice of the Mass) couldn’t be the Marriage Supper of the Lamb (Apoc 19:9) because the Apostles weren’t born again believers until Pentecost! In post #61, Acts 1:5...
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    Rapture Question

    Hi timetofly, 1 Cor 15:51-54 I think is referring to the physical body. Everybody I know and have read believes those that are raptured are NOT going to die. This is why I started this thread. I agree with you that, because of sin, we are spiritually dead before we become a Christian...
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    Rapture Question

    Hi Canadyjd, Really good question! Apoc 9:6 And in those days, men shall seek death and shall not find it. And they shall desire to die: and death shall fly from them. Matt 25:46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting. Aquinas uses these two...
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    Rapture Question

    My Comment: I guess you were reading post #20. If Paul went to the Third Heaven (heaven as we think of heaven) bodily in 2 Cor 12:2, then he didn’t stay there because he later died. Scripture doesn’t say he died but the historian, Eusebius, said he did. Also, even more important, Paul says he...
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    Rapture Question

    For the viewers, First, I want to explain again why this has come up on this thread about the Rapture. I am advocating for believing in the Doctrines of the Communion of Saints and the Mass (Marriage Supper of the Lamb) because these would allow for things to be taking place on earth and in...
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    Rapture Question

    I really like Scott Hahn. You are so right. God bless you!!!
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    Rapture Question

    2 Cor 5:16 Wherefore henceforth, we know no man according to the flesh. And if we have known Christ according to the flesh: but now we know him so no longer. (DRV) My Comment: St. Thomas the Apostle was already willing to die for Christ (John 11:17). It’s possible he believed Christ would...
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    Rapture Question

    My Comment: This is Dispensationalism. This would mean that none of the apostles were believers because Pentecost hadn’t come yet. Thomas doubted which means he did not disbelieve totally. After Christ appeared to him, he did believe. Believing was a matter of degree. So, did Thomas believe when...
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    Rapture Question

    My Comment: Ok. Lol I understand. Of course, I disagree but either you believe or you don’t just like the disciples who walked away because they did not believe in the Eucharist [John 6:61-67 (60-66)]. You know Darrell, not trying to be a wise guy either, I’m really not, but I’ve always heard...
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    Rapture Question

    Correction to Post #101 I said, “ I know you probably see this exact day as the Rapture but I see it either as the very last day or, in my minority view, as right before the Thousand Year Reign”. My Comment: The “Day of the Lord” is the very last day (General Judgement) and not before the...
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    My Comment: Ok. My Comment: Of course I disagree as I’ve explained and I know you have too. My Comment: We don’t see Israel as a separate people as being restored but, rather, the restoration of the “New Israel” which is the Catholic Church. At the beginning of the Great Tribulation, the...
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    Rapture Question

    My Comment: In prophecy, Dan 12:11 says, “And from the time when the continual sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination unto desolation shall be set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days.” The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is this “Continual sacrifice”. Circumstantial...
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    Rapture Question

    My Comment: The Bride is the Church! The Church is already in heaven as I’ve said elsewhere. The Bride (Church) is already clean (Holy) here on earth (Eph 5:25-27). Also it’s another proposition and attribute in the Nicene Creed which says, “One, HOLY, Catholic and Apostolic CHURCH….” Notice is...
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    Rapture Question

    My Comment: I’m sure you don’t but you should. Even the Calvinists on monergism.com speak highly of the Creed. One article said “The Creeds are God’s Gifts to the Church”. They also quote extensively from the Council of Orange (529ad). Maybe God is leading you to the Nicene Creed? If you rely...
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    Rapture Question

    This is an addition to my Post #95 Darrell, You were asking if the apostles were saved by keeping this memorial in the Old Testament? Post #95 I think you were trying to say that the Marriage Supper of the Lamb was only in heaven and only in the future and Communion here on earth was just...
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    Rapture Question

    Hi Konstantin, I shouldn’t have used 2 Pet 3:8. Lol I was really kidding but I don’t believe in a literal, down to the day, thousand year reign. I believe in a minority view in the Catholic Church which says you can believe there is a thousand year reign after the tribulation if you want to...
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    Rapture Question

    My Comment: I’ll give just a couple of examples: Rom 12:4-5 For as in one body we have many members, but all the members have not the same office: 5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ; and every one members one of another: Our salvation is individual but we remain in the family...
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    Rapture Question

    My Comment: I agree. It doesn’t change the fact that we are, individually and as a group, trying to do on earth what is being done in heaven. As I said, you are doing it now in a more obscure or dimmer way. My Comment: I said “symbolic” because that is what you would believe, not me. What I’m...
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