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  1. Protestant

    Two Interpretations of 2 Thess. 2:13-14

    ”Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.” Please note this Scripture uses the past participle of the verb, ‘to know.’ Also note the time of this knowledge: eternity. He knows the works He has decreed in eternity, before creation. These decrees are the positive...
  2. Protestant

    Two Interpretations of 2 Thess. 2:13-14

    You have been using this circular reasoning ad nauseam. No matter how many times you repeat yourself, it is still a fallacious argument. You refuse to acknowledge God's foreknowledge is the result of His absolute decree as to the infallible futurition of things. Instead you have taught the Most...
  3. Protestant

    Two Interpretations of 2 Thess. 2:13-14

    First, your fatherhood of God analogy might hold water on the Oprah show but it has no biblical foundation. We Christians are adopted into His family. God is not our natural Father. Satan is our natural father. “For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have...
  4. Protestant

    Christ wanted to be a friend not a master

    Thank God there are those on this board who understand we Christians are slaves of Christ. And by being His slaves we are free indeed! He gives us rest. For His yoke is easy and His burden is light. What hasn't been mentioned in this thread is the fact that we are born sinners, slaves of sin...
  5. Protestant

    Two Interpretations of 2 Thess. 2:13-14

    Only Pelagians believe theirs is a HIGHER view of God. Their view has been condemned by both Church councils and Christian Apologists since it was introduced in the 5th century by the very religious, but very lost, British monk. "Pelagianism is the belief that original sin did not taint...
  6. Protestant

    Two Interpretations of 2 Thess. 2:13-14

    In post # 41 you stated, "we now share in the divine nature." Was this latest post spoken by your 'divine nature'? Or was it spoken by your 'dark side'?
  7. Protestant

    Two Interpretations of 2 Thess. 2:13-14

    Since when is Pelagianism a 'higher view of God's sovereignty'? Scripture teaches the Lord's rule and governing of all His creatures. Nowhere is it stated that He has relinquished His authority, condescending to be ruled by His creatures. I fear Tozer has been eating too much grass...
  8. Protestant

    Two Interpretations of 2 Thess. 2:13-14

    All Christians are the creation of God. "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come." (2 Cor. 5:17) (ESV)
  9. Protestant

    Two Interpretations of 2 Thess. 2:13-14

    Because there are so many errors in your lengthy reply, I will remain focused on the issue at hand: the new birth from above which you insist is the result of a marriage between Jesus and believers. Jesus in no wise likens the new birth to that of marriage. Instead He likens it to the wind...
  10. Protestant

    Two Interpretations of 2 Thess. 2:13-14

    Unfortunately, Mr. Tozer does not agree with scriptural authority. His authority is the vain imaginings of his own depraved, sinful mind. Please note, I am not attempting to judge Mr. Tozer's eternal state. I am simply judging his teaching as quoted above. I believe I will use his quote in my...
  11. Protestant

    Two Interpretations of 2 Thess. 2:13-14

    You are certainly entitled to your rage. Your lack of refutation is also duly noted.
  12. Protestant

    Two Interpretations of 2 Thess. 2:13-14

    I praise God for your healing. To Him be all the glory. As I try to understand your explanation, 'something' drew you to Jesus. 'Something' was wrong in your life. The Bible says it was the Father who drew you by various means.....including giving you the awareness of your sin. The Bible...
  13. Protestant

    Two Interpretations of 2 Thess. 2:13-14

    There was no 'Jew' before Abraham, who was chosen by God and miraculously converted from a pagan devil worshipper to a worshiper of the true God. This is yet another proof that faith does not preceed regeneration and revelation. Let's not forget there were Elect since the Garden of Eden. They...
  14. Protestant

    Two Interpretations of 2 Thess. 2:13-14

    Yes, I have. They are called Arminians. They believe they do not need a heart transplant, new eyes and ears, though the infallible Lord says so. They are not spiritually dead, though the infallible Lord says so. Thus, they take credit for the miraculous faith which they themselves created...
  15. Protestant

    Two Interpretations of 2 Thess. 2:13-14

    Why not come up with a third interpretation/magic pile?
  16. Protestant

    Two Interpretations of 2 Thess. 2:13-14

    I appreciate the time and effort you took to reply. I really do. But, if I may respond respectfully, I do not see how you answered the 2 Thess. 2 Scripture with a third interpretation. Neither did you supply me with names of authorities in Church history with whom you agree as to a third way of...
  17. Protestant

    Two Interpretations of 2 Thess. 2:13-14

    Please do. But I would respectfully request that you provide 2-3 other authoritative witnesses throughout the annals of Church history who agree with you. Please provide references for your sources. "In the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses shall every word be established." (2 Cor.13:1b) I request...
  18. Protestant

    Two Interpretations of 2 Thess. 2:13-14

    I ask the reader to decide for oneself which interpretation is correct. “But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called...
  19. Protestant

    T - Total Depravity

    Total Depravity Proven Arminians are united in their quest to disprove the doctrine of man’s Total Depravity. In their theological system, man has the remnant of an ability to do that which is commanded by God: repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. In other words, man still has the ability...
  20. Protestant

    Can the Gospel be proclaimed and the Holy Spirit not work?

    Oh, no......Please do not fall into the 'unbiblical illustration' trap as did another well-meaning board member. The Gospel and Jesus Christ are the truth of God which Christians preach to set forth the acceptable and approved way of salvation. But because God and His Words are spirit, they...
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