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WHOA!?! :confused: Look back at what I posted, brother. Remove the "nefarious intent" that you seem to read into my posts because I'm not a Calvinist, and look at what I wrote. I copied and pasted Strongs for the two words you referenced and asked you a simple clarifying question about the...

Is this the other word to which you speak? So, you are attempting to equate 'amar' with 'rhema' and by this suggest this verse supports irresistible application of faith, in the same manner he Commanded the creation into existence? Am I understanding your argument correctly?

I'm sure Billy meant that anyone can believe if they have heard, just as Paul implied in Romans 10:14. You are just choosing to hear what you want to the hear in order to support your point of view. Those in John 6 could not come because they weren't enabled to come for reasons much different...

Is this the word you speak of?

And this rebuke has been answered almost as many times as you've offered it. Just because we disagree doesn't mean haven't heard it and replied. Whether faith comes by hearing the 'word of command' or the 'logos' it still doesn't say it comes by 'irresistible grace,' as that would completely...

Why, oh WHY, do Calvinists insist that the giver of a gift does NOT get full credit for giving it, if he doesn't irresistibly apply it? Of course faith is from God. What do we have that we have not received? I couldn't breath unless he granted me breath, why would ANYONE in their right minds...

I've interacted with that text on this forum no less that a dozen times...2 or 3 in the last week or so. Ok, and I don't consider you interpretation pertinent to the text either...conversation over.

Likewise, Paul is addressing Israel, God's elect nation and how some of that 'household' were being used for the noble purpose of apostleship and others were being used for the ignoble purpose of being hardened/cut off temporarily in their rebellion...both of which were necessary for God's...

Oh, right. I'm sure you affirm contra-causal free will for believers, right? No, you don't, so how exactly do you think that qualification helps your system? In your system is it even possible for a child of God NOT to be cleansed and used for a noble purpose? I didn't think so. Nice try...

You mean, if I agreed with the Calvinistic presumptions about the nature of sin and the relative weakness of divine revelation, then total inability from birth would be unavoidable. And we know from scripture what one must do to get a new heart...just as we know what one must to be a vessel...

Two things: 1. You didn't seem to interact with my post at all. You just jumped to another passage. That is a bit frustrating because I have no idea if you read or took time to try and comprehend what I wrote. 2. The question is not whether Israel (or any one for that matter) has a...

We aren't disputing that. There are three 'groups' in consideration. 1. Israel, as a whole, is being 'cut off' or hardened because despite God's holding out his hands to them for a long time (Rm. 10:21), they continue in their rebellion, so God has 'given them over to it' and cut them...

Obviously...Scriptures teach that God 'sent them a spirit of stupor' to blind them (Rom. 11) and spoke to them in parables lest they hear and believe. That is why they were UNABLE to 'see, hear, understand and believe, as John 12:39-41 clearly spells out. For this reason they could not...

I never suggested it was. Pick up a commentary...a lot of us 'non-Calvinists' types have published too, believe it or not. I'm not trying to be mean, but you treat me as if this is MY doctrine and this is the first time you've happen to cross it. I may be wrong, but when you say things like...

The strongest points are most typically the ones ignored: "But concerning Israel he says, "All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and obstinate people." Rm. 10:21

Yeah, ya'll are probably right. What would a doctrine about God's active blinding of his elect nation so as to prevent them from seeing, hearing, understanding and turning to God for healing have to do with soteriology, the nature of man or election? I'm sure I've just made a much ado about...

Yes, those are good ones too, but I would have included verse 28 in that last one... Thanks.

and... 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." and... 11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all...

But concerning Israel he says, "All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and obstinate people." Rm. 10:21 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but Israel, who pursued a law of...

Just so readers are aware, I've chosen to put Preacher4truth on my 'ignore' list because of the lack of substance typical in his post and his somewhat agitated approach. I can see that he has responded, but I can't see the content, that way I'm not tempted to join in the mud slinging, as I...