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How about the whole Book of Jonah, are you saying that ALL the 1000's in Nineveh were "elect"? They were NON Jews, who could not have been part of God's "elect", which was the nation of Israel

When I say "abuse", I mean the "twisting" of the Word of God for other purposes, especially to force the meaning of a word or passage, etc, like κόσμος in John 3:16, where some would force its meaning to "elect".

Ezekiel 18:32, "For I have NO PLEASURE in the death of anyone, declares the Lord GOD; so turn, and live.” The word "pleasure" is from the Hebrew, חָפֵץ, which means, "to desire, will, have pleasure in"

another ABUSE of the Word of God. Neither passage says that God is glorified in the fall of man, or that the lost will end up in hell.

complete rubbish!

In John 5:18 we read, "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.". So here we see that the Jews wanted to murder Jesus, for what He said to them. To these SAME Jews, it says in...

for His glory? WHERE in Genesis to Revelation is this VILE teaching, that God was somehow "glorified" by the fall of man???

Do you understand what you are saying? God does the predestining, which means exactly what? according to you, it means NOTHING! because these whom God predestinates, "place themselves into hell". This is classic DOUBLE-TALK! More Reformed nonsense!

says you! :Biggrin

Here is the main Calvinist, John Calvin on John 3:16, what do you think of his "Calvinism"? "That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have...

It was God's desire that Adam and Eve obeyed Him and chose life. But, because He created humans with the ability to choose (free will), that God did not compel them to do so.

out of interest, how do you understand what Jesus says in this wonderful verse, that Martin Luther called "the Gospel in a nutshell"?

If you simple click on the Bible reference, it will take you to the verse! :Biggrin

What Reymond suggests here is complete unbiblical rubbish! The word "foreordains" requires an ACTION on the part of the person who is doing this foreordaining. "to simply let them be", is to do NOTHING, and therefore is NOT an action. These people don't even understand the English language...

who sends the lost to hell, and exactly how do they end up there?

Typo, it should be John 3:16 in #73

Just WHY do the Reformed/Calvinists have such a hate for the so called "non-elect", that they are damned to eternal punishment, I will probably never understand. They claim that they love the whole world, as God does in John 3:13, and yet in their theology, they would limit the use of "world"...

Where exactly does it say in any of these passages you quote, that God is "glorified" in the death of the lost? Have you carefully read a much misused verse in Romans 9? Notice Paul's words, "endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction". If God either "predestined"...

much misused verses by supports of this false teaching. In the first place, the Greek verb προορίζω simply means "to determine something before", but does not have to include any notion of "divine decree", which is what the theological twist to the word does. Secondly, Paul is writing to the...

What some Reformed really believe about the God of the Holy Bible: (like the "confession" mentioned in #54) "One student asked Dr. Gerstner, “How can I be happy in heaven if I’m aware that one of my loved ones is in hell?” Dr. Gerstner responded: “Don’t you know that when you are in heaven you...