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Nope, I've admitted that Compatibilism is possible. You are the one claiming God is not abl to create free creatures on the basis you can't comprehend it. My statement was to reveal the irony of your accusation of my view making man to be God, when its your view that blurs the line between the...

I agree up to the part I emboldened. You are begging the question, because that is the point up for debate as you will have to establish that he was determined to desire and thus act this way based on his totally depraved nature, as opposed to making a CHOSE to act this way (in a contra-causal...

As opposed to the evil, murderous, raping, molesting, lustful, hating will being based on our Holy Righteous God? Gladly. And I'm fine with whatever mystery comes with that claim, because your system doesn't avoid mystery any more so than mine. You just trade one mystery for another all...

"A choice to act is free if it is an expression of an agent's categorical ability of the will to refrain or not refrain from the action (i.e., contra-causal freedom)."

Not according to Luke. God is too weak to do this. He has to create people who He determines. God, from Luke's perspective, is not much more than a robot builder.

Where is the other adult? Luke, if any view is equating us with God it is the Determinist, because it leaves no room for distinction between the will of God and the wills of his creatures, but I doubt you would acknowledge that. I will continue to maintain that God is Holy and distinct from...

Just call me Charlie.

Even when being confronted by the enabling and freeing truth of the gospel appeal sent by God's gracious inspiration? Sorry, but I don't buy it. There is NO REASON to suggest that God's appeal for man to be reconciled from their fallen condition cannot be responded to willingly on the...

What other application? I'm not following what you are saying. Right, its a warning of what COULD happen to them IF they get prideful, its not saying that it has already happened to them from birth due to their fallen inherent nature, as Calvinism's dogma of Total Inability asserts. Well, I'd...

Yes, you got me Luke. I'm believe I'm equal to God because I believe God didn't determine for me to lie, lust, steal and cheat. You figured me out. I'm done with this...

Just a quick question before I go into teach my course: Do you believe the 'spirit of stupor' sent by God is sent to everyone also? Because above you seem to argue that the hardening process is universal to all mankind, and yet the scripture seems to indicated clearly that God was specifically...

This is a perfect example of what I was talking about in my last post. You tend to think so systematically that you have already systematized my view, in a way. I was not, and am not attempting to argue that John 6 is primarily concerned with election ot the apostolic office, nor that its...

Brother, the view I'm espousing is a very well established, orthodox view of scripture. It is held by more biblical scholars than hold to the Calvinistic interpretation. I know, I know, that doesn't establish validity as the majority can be mistaken, but the reason I point it out is because...

I thought God would make you say that. :smilewinkgrin: Sorry, I couldn't resist....or could I?

Here we go round the merry go wheel, the merry go wheel, the merry go wheel, here we go round the merry go wheel all the live long day... The same thing God bases his choices on...himself...his will. That's what a will does...it wills. It makes choices. By what authority are you saying that...

I guess holding one accountable to actually apply the truth of his logical construct to all areas of his discourse is not deemed appropriate anymore? Oh, sorry. :love2:

I'm saying the choice is based on the chooser. The choice is not based on itself, it is based on the one MAKING THE CHOICE...the one RESPONSE-ABLE for the CHOICE. I think you mean to say that only God's choices are based on God alone, and I'm saying that God is powerful enough to have created...

I concur. Thanks

It is weird that God determined for him to say that, I wonder what God was thinking? :type:

How does it feel? You've been doing that to me for a very long time. And if you haven't noticed you keep saying the exact same things over and over. Just look back over your posts and see how many times you've accused my view of being based on nothing. How many times do I have to answer...