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Qualify it precisely - don't compare apples and oranges. If you desired justice, you will take pleasure in the fact that justice is upheld. If you did not desire the death of the wicked, you will not take pleasure in his death. If God desired to bruise His Son for all things to be gathered in...

Oh come now. I have engaged with your position - if I've misunderstood, kindly clarify it. Else, list out the fallacies or where I've added words to Scripture? You said God gathered SOME of Jerusalem's children under His wings - yes? Have I misunderstood this? I showed you from Gal 4:25-26...

A loaded question or complex question is a question that contains a controversial or unjustified assumption. My question - Do you believe it is inconsistent for God to desire against and in opposition to what He has previously sovereignly counselled/decreed? Yes/No There are no assumptions...

I completely agree. It's just that you simply asking a question never places the same necessity for the other to respond to the logical end, that a declaration to disprove places. It's difficult to draw conclusions because people refrain from committing to responses or stances or inferences when...

What you've described here specifically is Single Predestination. The Double part is inferred, right? Human inferences are fallible, right? Especially when I can show the exact logical fallacy of inverse premises - which I have in my earlier response to you and you haven't responded one way or...

No, not all of calvinism. Only specifically the pre- part of predestined reprobation of man. Only this and the implications derived directly from this. The rest stand completely. I am a 5 point TULIPer. I've understood calvinism which is why I hold to most of its doctrines. Can't there be any...

Don't you? Aren't you pleased in the Spirit to honor your commitments or are you disgruntled in the flesh? The point is, we are not filled with the Spirit at all times and we do have a tug of war between sinful flesh and God's spirit. And they are opposed to each other - fulfilling the desires...

I try and avoid loaded questions - those are not fair in a discussion. I believe I'm being precise in my language and argument in order to draw conclusions, and these necessarily have to be narrow in scope. But let's evaluate if I have raised a loaded question - My question - Do you believe it...

Why don't you expand your responses - if you believe you have interpreted the truth, provide a biblical exegesis of these verses that we're considering. Why wait for me to ask these questions to hold you to a consistent interpretation? What did you mean by you did not say ALL of Jerusalem's...

How long did it take to come up with this unique interpretation? Listen to yourself, in order for this to be held without contradiction henceforth everywhere, every Pastor should preach and every commentary should annotate that Jerusalem was not willing but her children were willing even though...

Yes. And so how do we ascertain the many different ways it could mean different things? By looking up all possible usage of the word in the dictionary. World - cosmos - orderly arrangement, that is, decoration; by implication the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants...

You asked me to clarify my position, said you followed my argument and asked me to cite Scripture, then said you do not see a contradiction in Eze 33:11 because you consider "pleasure" to be different from "desire", then asked me how Matt 23:37 fits in. I replied that "pleasure" and "desire" do...

You quoted me saying "I don't see such a black and white differential" and you prove to me that there is a difference? When have I denied there is a difference - the post you quoted me from itself has me referring to the difference. I just don't see it as simplistically as the calvinists do. To...

But this is the very premise that's being debated here, right? This is the OP of this thread. If you find it a False premise, you engage with the points raised and prove your defense or prove the invalidity of my inferences. That's how debates go and contradictions are resolved either way. But...

Just so we're on the same page, what is the premise that you're referring to as False?

Completely agree. But I wasn't talking about what man desires or doesn't. This is what happens when we don't stick to binary questions - I ask one thing and you reply about something else and we're not progressing in the dialog. I'm happy to reply to any of your binary questions too - but why...

Right. So help me show you the actual inconsistency by beginning to commit to responses - Do you believe it is consistent for God to desire against and in opposition to what He has previously sovereignly counselled/decreed? Yes/No (IOW, Do you believe it contradicts an invariant nature of God...

Eze 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? This is God revealing His desire for the non-elect. Mat 23:37 O...

Your stating so still needs a reasonable explanation, right? I wrote an entire post if you really wanted to go down the route of holding Desire different from Pleasure in Eze 33:11 - they are the same as used in Scripture. Besides we have Matt 23:37 specifically using the word for Will/Desire of...

When have I ever made such a point for it to be muted?? I completely agree with this statement as such. I do know you hold regeneration and rebirth to be the same and we can discuss that on another thread but I hold your quoted statement as completely True. Therefore you should move on to...