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And this is precisely the point I raised in my last post. When you claim I'm ignoring something in Scriptures, you must first prove it exists in Scriptures for me then to have ignored. To which I further quoted Acts 28:23 and asked you if your view ignores people arriving in Paul. You're yet to...

I see this primarily as a conflict over semantics where calvinists and arminians see the meaning of atonement through the lens of their own belief systems. Would it help reconcile both calvinists and arminians if we said there was "a universal offer of atonement through faith to the end" but...

Just so we're on the same page, these are what I'm differing on in your reading of John 6:37. Back up a bit. It was your post on John 6:37 that introduced this concept of "arriving in Christ positionally" and that this is God's action. I've always read this as a simple "arriving/coming to...

You went through to Rom and Gal to quote usages of "put on.." ? We've got one in the same passage - Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created...

Do you have a basis for slipping in "Coming to Christ" as "Coming into Christ" as then "Coming in Christ" - isn't there a huge difference in the preposition used by you vs what's used in John 6? Anyway, I disagree with you stating the "coming to Christ" in v.37 is an action of God. If I called...

But that's how language works. When the same author uses the same phrase within a page apart without distinctly introducing a change in usage of the phrase, then it is absolutely consistent to equate phrase meanings. Why do you see this differently? What is your basis for new semantic rules...

Now you're making me run around in circles. When you raised the same question in the other thread, I did give you Scriptural reference to show how the epistle by Paul addressed to the Colossians had Paul himself making reference to the Colossians as the elect of God. You never responded directly...

You asked for Scriptures not addressed to the jews and I presented Col 2:13 - i don't understand, are you saying this is not addressed to gentiles? I am definitely uncomfortable with the implications. 2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election...

We've already addressed this in another thread - why do you continue holding on to this view when it is demeaning and not edifying to the Church or glorifying God? Why don't we conclude on this with finality instead of drawing this out endlessly into several threads? Col 2:13 And you, being...

Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Hearing, Learning and Coming to Christ are all responses of man. While the commonly accepted interpretation is that Hearing and...

Well, and being transferred to Christ results in having eternal life - so using this view, "...he that has eternal life shall never hunger;...." is equally true as a premise. We can chain-link any number of truths from what results in what but we can't then infer equality of definitions/meanings...

Because the calvinists have assumed that no salvific work in any form is done in the non-elect, they simply generalize the beginning to end nature of God's work in the elect and conflate the term 'saved' to be assured salvation which a person can never lose. Again note, the 'person' here is...

I'd like to comment on general beliefs and not any specific person - I certainly have limited knowledge on Joshua Harris. The calvinist approach to upholding Once Saved Always Saved has been to qualify it as If Saved Always Saved - where any sign of apostasy negates and nullifies any prior...

wouldn't it still be true that one is saved by God's grace through faith, if regeneration preceded faith? I didn't understand how the sequence alters the truth.

Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. Isn't there parallelism here to equate "coming to Christ" with "believing in Christ" depicted by the equal comparison over hunger and thirst? The...

I am neither C nor A - so I end up agreeing and disagreeing with either group on different points. I do not agree with the calvinists on predestined/pre-decreed condemnation of the non-elect but isn't pre-decreed salvation of the elect quite clear in Scriptures? Rom 9:11 (For the children...

My focus is not on man, what he's able to do or not. That matters not. I'm focusing on what implications arise about God's nature and consistency - and that does matter. Why would God even want them to believe in the first place, if He has already predestined and pre-decreed condemnation over...

This is precisely the sentiment that I am against in calvinism - the attribution of a certain characteristic to God which I find directly opposed in Scriptures. Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have...

In agreement entirely. Disagree, if the 'already condemned' here refers to 'before the foundation of the world, before any man's good or evil'. But that's what's being debated on this thread - Is calvinist predestined reprobation/condemnation valid or not. Also, you do see the...

That's not what single predestination proposes - there is nobody capable of changing their mind by themselves. When God is viewed as offering salvation, it's Him doing the same supernatural work of giving a new heart and His Spirit to the non-elect, enlightening them (Heb 6:4) with the truth of...