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2. Implication: God genuinely desires and extends conditional means of salvation to the non-elect. a) Objection: If God desires them to be saved and none of the non-elect are saved, then God has failed in weakness. b) Defense: God promises salvation only to the elect and has promised no...

Summary from Part 1: Objective - reconcile calvinism and arminianism by refuting the root divisive error found in calvinist predestined reprobation/condemnation. Implications of Single Predestination and Defense of Objections: 1. Implication: God does not predestine condemnation over the...

Does the Passover blood have the purpose of atonement?

Spare yourself the time. You show a passage to the thessalonians calling them elect, and MB will ask where they're said to be gentiles. You'd go, but they are the thessalonians who are saved, and MB would say they're the jews alone in thessalonica. Which is why it's safe to keep pressing on just...

Right. Well, given that predestination by definition spans from what God purposed in the beginning to what should happen at the very end, it must reconcile all other doctrines in between - which is pretty much everything :)

I'm new to this. Is there a specific time limit for all threads or was there some other basis on which this is decided?

is it applicable to God is the question. God sure was addressing specific people in Eze 18 but in so doing, He was revealing His own attributes. That's what I'm picking on - not the people being addressed there. What God told about Himself and His ways - Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine...

Sure. I must qualify it as inevitable only under certain circumstances. Satan was good until he saw God walking with the lesser created man and woman. I suppose the potential to sin wouldn't have been realized if he was not made to choose between consciously indulging his dormant self-pride. The...

From Eze 18, if God is particular to reveal that He will not condemn the children based on the sins of the father, how does this unchanging God do that in the case of Adam? Anyone has thoughts on this?

The original OP question was - how do you justify why we are we born in the pit of sin? You reply - we are born in the pit of sin. That just amounts to - that's the way it is. I'm fine with that - Just was interested in knowing any sound justification if anyone had one. Right. Pelagius denied...

I do distinguish between the following - 1. a nature that is created good, but with the potential to freely sin eventually. 2. a nature that is totally depraved after falling in sin, with the continual propensity/penchant to sin 3. a nature that is good and with no potential to sin forever...

Why so? Paul uses God's dealing with Pharaoh several centuries ago to show God's ways in dealing with the Israelites during Jesus' time - the common context is established in what we see of God. Similarly, we see God's heart and ways of judging in Eze 18 and that never changes - so if God is...

Which is precisely why I do not hold Adam being born with a sinful nature - where I now have to qualify the nature as not having any indwelling sin at creation. This is me literally reading the Genesis account of them being created very good. I completely believe adam did have the freedom to...

Truth is provided in answering questions that point out contradictions in your belief system. Still no answers. I'm going to stop contributing to this spamming of this thread until there is some new contribution.

What are you arguing against? What do you find false specifically? I only said where you find a true believer you will also see that person is put in Christ by God by rebirthing him in the spirit, one accompanies the other - I never specified the sequence of which precedes which since my point...

Cool. Once you've cooled down from the dissing, could you answer the question I raised and then continue on with whatever you feel like venting out..

Agreed. So how do you justify federal headship itself? Why must I be born into condemnation for another's sin? Why must I accept responsibility for Adam's failure, when I had no vote on having him as my head? Again, not challenging truths - simply checking how people think through these...

What kind of false dichotomy are you raising here? I said we do find ourselves in Christ by believing given that all believers are put in Christ by God. Why didn't you quote me saying Rebirth in Christ <=> Faith in Christ? Us being born again is us being put in Christ by God. This and believing...

Eze 18:2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? Eze 18:3 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. Eze 18:4 Behold...

You're in a debate forum where we are expected not to be touchy being called out for logical fallacies like yours ad nauseam. Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Since you do understand...