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Close. I disagree with the passive form you use for "be arriving" - it is future active indicative, an action done by the person being given to Christ. John 6:37 Anyone who the Father gives to Me will arrive at Me, and he coming to(ward) Me I could no never cast out. This is the closest...

It is my understanding that this is a commonly held doctrine across calvinists and arminians. But are there any differences or nuances within each camp? Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned...

This is not even unique to me - this is what everyone who believes in the doctrine of original sin must hold to, right? What is the alternative? Are you saying there was a scenario possible where Adam, created as he was, never sinned throughout eternity? That's not possible given 1Cor 15. The...

Again clarifying, in case you've defined this sin nature to be what calvinism terms a totally depraved nature. I see total depravity as a nature that cannot but sin - it continually sins. What I mean by a nature that would inevitably sin is not that it continually sins but down the road at...

Do you define a sinful nature as one that would inevitably sin, even before it has sinned? I don't. Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. This is how I define a sinful nature - a nature that has sin dwelling in it. Before the fall, Adam's nature had no sin...

Yep. Clarified below. I mentioned it briefly. Expanding, Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth) Infralapsarianism takes the majority calvinist...

Oh, Absolutely. I'm sorry, what question did you raise? I was thinking we were following my question thread - and I was simply narrowing the scope of consideration to only God in order to conclude that God cannot desire against His own sovereign choices. When expanding the scope to include...

Like I said, I'm not even going there to considering how man chooses against God. My question is - Can God desire against His own choices? If God makes a self-contained sovereign choice to elect some for redemption, can He then desire in Himself not to show them mercy or to not use them as a...

I'm not even focusing on man but just God Himself. Isn't it an internal inconsistency in God's nature to first pre-decree that the non-elect be condemned and then reveal His desire that they repent and live? If God had not revealed any such desire for them to repent and live, as with the...

Okay? Don't know how you're relating this to Jude 1:5 - but who would you say were saved out of Egypt? The elect, the non-elect or both?

Okay. And how do you relate the Promise with being elect and non-elect? Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Not all Children are of God. Children of Promise = elect. Children of...

I'm now considering the possibility that you really are unaware of the calvinist position on this. As per the calvinist/lutheran position, regeneration and rebirth precede faith - so when I read a person coming to believe in Christ, that therein is evidence that they have been given a new heart...

I too don't see the problem per se with God not providing any means of redemption in a Savior to some of His creatures - we see that explicitly with the non-elect angels. It's just that God reveals that He doesn't do the same with non-elect man in that He reveals His desire for the non-elect too...

I agree. In fact, I hold that those falling away in Hebrews too are purchased by our Lord. I'd say the sense is in distinguishing between why God purposed the shedding of blood over Passover and the shedding of blood on the Day of Atonement as two separate events. Couldn't God have simply used...

God does not swear in Himself or provide a promise to the non-elect for them to be saved as He does for the elect. He only conditionally desires the salvation of the non-elect - why is it God's failure if they fail the condition, it's their failure alone. If God had unconditionally taken up...

When are you asking? God did conditionally desire all lost sinners in hell to be saved in the beginning for which He provided the means of redemption, and this was so until they disobeyed in unbelief, filling up their measure of iniquity, after which God intends that they be destroyed in His...

I'm going to micro-focus on just this first since this would clarify many of the other points. Why do you say this word is used to denote "coming to believe" in Acts but say this exact same word in John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me;... is to denote "arriving in" ? Same...

These are precisely the very same passages that I'd laid out in the other thread "Single Predestination" to show God does indeed begin a supernatural work of redemption in the non-elect too, which they then fall away from as seen in 2Pet 2:20-22, Luk 11:25-26. (You could head over to the thread...

This, I suppose, is in response to my question 4) of Post #146 - that you don't have any contradictions to point out in my interpretation. Can you likewise show "the truth" by replying to the other 3 questions too there, the ones meant to challenge your interpretation on the same? When two...

I disagree on the intention part. I'd say - Gospel freely offered to all sinners, intended to be the means of salvation for all sinners, but effective only in saving the Elect, as rest shall freely reject that offer!