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My post was never meant to be a critique of his statement in the OP. It was meant to be of his work at large. In other words, don't put too much stock into it. Funny how you ask for an example, any example, I give you one, and then you backtrack saying you wanted an example of the OP quote. I...

Too bad there isn't an "unhelpful" button to push for you. And did you here how silly you sound? Those who spent time learning Greek are hearing God's voice better than you. B/c God spoke the NT in Greek. You are getting his Word through a translation. Ever sat and listened to a sermon while it...

You still aren't offering any counter points to the objections I've raised. Wonderful, however the past tense is in relation to its immediate context. In this case, the past tense verb "has been born" is past in relation to the subject which the action of the verb is acting upon it. Therefore...

I think it would help tremendously if you started using quotation marks and better punctuation. I added a few marks in your quotation above to help clarify. The reason we keep insisting that "has been" comes before the verb "born" is because the grammar of the verb is perfect passive. Passive...

How is that snooty to say that in the scholarly community, the book you so highly recommend is considered outdated and anachronistic??? I think you are taking this as a personal attack. This is not a personal affront to Edersheim. It is just clarifying what the current academic community is...

I'll answer your issue you raised here. And I'll try not to be condescending when I do it. But I must first point out that you didn't deal with the argument I raised. You didn't point out the errors of my argument. You only raised a different idea. Ok... so the "problem" you seem to be seeing...

Great! So we agree on this so far. The clear implication of 1 Jn 2:29 and 4:7 is that spiritual birth from God (regeneration) causes "doing righteousness" and "loving". Well.... No.... But when it does, it is super helpful to theology. And 1 John 5:1 is one of only a few verses I can think of...

But you didn't answer the question... not clearly anyhow. And you mentioned "after they have believed" as if the verses in question (2:29 & 4:7) had anything to say on that matter. Let's stick to the texts in question before adding on faith. We can move on to 1 John 5:1 once you answer clearly...

I think I hinted at it already. It is not just one thing but the vast majority of it based on a faulty understanding of Judaism of that time. He bases much of his views of pre70 Judaism with post70... and that is a major problem considering what happened in 70 and its effects on Judaism. This...

No NT Wright???

By all means, handle your priorities first. But I would rather wait in silence than get a dodge. That said, let's move on. Here is what is killing me. 1 John 2:29 and 4:7 don't mention "has believed" and "come to faith" and yet you insist that they do. However, those verses do talk about...

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Hey revmwc! I was hoping you would respond to my questions: What say you???

I think there is some symbolism of 70 actually when considering the table of nations in Gen. 10-11 and the role of Abraham and Abraham's seed (Christ) to resolve the sin of the nations and bring them the blessing of the nations. This is part of Luke/Acts narrative. Jesus has brought about the...

Sure... I want you to teach me that you actually understand Greek. But your English grammar, punctuation, and spelling is so horrendous; why should I expect anything else from your abilities in Greek?

Instead of spelling it... can you parse it? Can you tell us the verb's person, number, tense, voice, and mood??? (you learn this in 1st semester Greek, btw)

TCass... can you ban revmwc since he is changing the text of Scripture to suit his purpose??? I ask partly in jest. But have you notice what he's been doing? When he thinks he is transliterating, he is simply taking the lexical form of every word and rendering that rather than the inflected...

12 equals government perfect? 12 disciples, 12 tribes of Israel, 12 months in a year all point to government perfection??? Anywho... what is the manuscript evidence????????? That is the real question. You can point to numerology all you want. But you have no objective basis to make any...

Maybe we can do it from this angle. Which causes what in 1 Jn 2:29 and 4:7? Does "doing righteousness" and "loving" cause one to be born by God. Or is does being born by God cause one to do righteousness and love others???

I hate to do this, but let's break this down and really pick it apart. My thoughts are in red, fyi. Can you quote the verse that said that? You are conflating "believing" from 1 Jn 5:1 onto 2:29 and 4;7. All 3 have "have been born" by God/him, but only 5:1 mentions "believing". So each verse...