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There is no reason it couldn't have been BOTH...In areas, such as where the "fountains of the deep broke open"...I imagine it was quite violent. However, there could easily have been places where it was quite tranquil. It covered the entire earth...and not only would it have been different in...

You didn't carry out the Great Commission here Benjamin, nor can you, only the Local Church can. You were an Ambassador for Christ here, and that is good and any Saint of God should be one. But that is not the Great Commission and the "Universal Church" is absolutely incapable of doing it.

RED HERRING !!! Tsk Tsk....you know better than that Benjamin.

Hair....Meet less than razor thin axe with which I will split you. :BangHead: "We accept the GOSPEL not CHRIST" So to "accept Christ" is "UnScriptural" ah...ok thanks for clearing all that up.:rolleyes:

Does it ever cross your mind that perhaps your arguments are simply not as convincing as you think they are? Do you consider that it is possible, that perhaps your arguments are not near as slam-dunk as you think they are? You assume a "willing refusal"--does something in you prevent you from...

Ok....so, in what way exactly, do these verses state that infants are born "guilty" of the sin of Adam... When you quote and then exegete how these passages state that infants are concieved and born "guilty" of Adam's sin...then your point will be proven...easily done right? :thumbs:

She is reading the thread along with me. She is NOT on the same page you are, I assure you.

True words spoken by someone who is a parent of REAL live (and not theoretical) children.... I also have young children. My wife and I STILL have a lot to learn about what possible "real" problems children have and they can't tell us about them, they can only "cry". The "nightmare"...

God has wired mothers provably and scientifically demonstrable to lactate when they hear an infant cry...A breast-feeding mother will begin to lactate at the sound of ANY infant's cries, even if it isn't their own infant. My wife has ignored the "cries" of our children insisting that...

Yes....babies are evil "liars" when they cry for the love and affection and re-inforcement and security of being held by the only protectors they are aware of in their World...:laugh::laugh:

You are amazing...being "Hungry" was an example...but, even so...do you actually think that their belief that they have a "need" to be picked-up and held is some form of "lie"? What language precisely should they employ in order to voice their wants??? They make a simple...

In a way....that is one of the most enlightening things I have ever heard you say on this board. For YEARS I bought into this "Original Guilt" garbage, and used to seek out innumerable possible scenarios whereby a "guilty sinner" (an infant) might possibly be "saved" without having put their...

Oh....MY....Goodness....Gracious....you actually brought out the "babies cry when nothing is wrong with them thing".....That is truly hilarious.... I thought that kind of reasoning made sense when I was roughly twelve years old.....but....then I grew up and put away "childish" things...

Yes, "Death" did...that's Scripture: "sin" did not pass...except for as the passage states "FOR THAT ALL HAVE SINNED" That's the caveat given. and Yes, Death is the result of "sin"....Physical death in Adam, and Spiritual Death when you yourself sin....Just read the Scriptures.

No, it won't change....but do you realize that what you have just said is PRECISELY what Winman has been saying all these years? It is ALSO what I am saying, and it appears webdog is ALSO saying....Romans 3:23 All HAVE SINNED...that is so clear as day. You are pretending that this verse says...

Was it "of God"....no. The man ran afoul of both God's law, and against man's law which, in this case, is correctly illegal. Do I understand it? Yes. The judge did the right thing. You can't "aquit", he's guilty. But neither is their any punishment you can level on the man which will...

:laugh::laugh:I literally laughed out loud at these parts. You have a real talent for visual imagery :applause::applause: "Dictating ignorance"... HA! "Robed Glory"...Hilarious!