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All of our 'what ifs' sound like reasonable doubt...enough said.

My bad... I had the wrong info... I just wonder why the defense didn't present more info like:

Oh, she did? Last I heard is that it wasn't going to be allowed and I never heard it talked about in closing or anything????

How in the world could the judge find that Trayvon's use of Marihuana isn't relevant? Doesn't she know drugs affect your actions and can make you look nervous (suspicious)? Doesn't she know that drug use speaks to his character and likely hood to do what George accuses him of doing? Doesn't...

The real crime here is that he wouldn't even be charged with a crime if Trayvon had been a White or Hispanic man. The race baiters (i.e. Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson) of our country have made this into a trial that should have never happened. There was never enough evidence to arrest or try this...

There are several problems with the OP and I'll list the top two here: 1. It presumes that all (or at least most) non-Calvinists are the 'classic Arminian' "foresight faith" brand. We are not. In fact, most Southern Baptists scholars are not that brand of Arminian and we affirm what is known...

I agree that this analogy does properly represent a problem for anyone who isn't a Universalist. I can own that analogy but can you really own the same analogy when Calvinism is applied? Suppose I chained my 5 year old to a pole in the middle of the road because his big brother disobeyed and...

Well said DrJamesAch! In our system, God is not trying to save everyone and failing, as the OP and others seems to think. In our system, God is wanting men to make a free choice and He intends to save all those who repent and believe. Now, when someone throws in their finite presumptions...

You all seem to forget that the non-Calvinist position, is not that God is subject to man by man's choosing, but we believe God in his sovereignty chose for men to be free. Your objections all appear to miss this most valuable information. If I ask my 5 year old to sit down, but don't choose...

Luke, if God chose to reveal himself 'anthropomorphically' (i.e. making choices) what is wrong with understanding and believing God by those same terms (i.e. that he actually makes choices)? Do you really think we are going to get to heaven and God is going to scold me for believing that he...

All I have to do is quote scripture verbatim and you get all worked up... :saint: Bottom line is that the scripture says that God makes choices and you deny that he makes choices, period. Own it.

It didn't? Oh, let me try again, "God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise..." 1 Cor. 1:27 Luke's Response, "God doesn't make choices." Hmmm, the bible says that God chose and Luke says that God doesn't choose....weird.

All these things explain why God might permit man's dominion over the earth, their free will, and their sinful rebellion, but it fails to answer why this would be necessary in a deterministic world where God apparently dictates what men desire, believe and choose. It doesn't explain why God...

God does actively "harden" men...however the way the non-Calvinists explains this it is much less difficult to swallow, that the view of the deterministic Calvinist. In my view judicial hardening is simply hiding or confusing the revelation of truth which could otherwise lead to repentance. So...

Let me summarize. He claims God doesn't 'commit or approve of the sin' which he himself 'brings about for his own good purposes.' :eek:

Do you mean where I quote scripture verbatim and you deny it by labeling it anthropomorphic and dismissing it? That's always fun. NOT!

I and others have offered several responses to this above... Can you explain how exhaustive foreknowledge and divine freedom or even divine election can coexist? How does God originate a thought? If he always knew what he would think how did a thought ever come to be? What about God's...

The problem arises when we suppose that God's knowledge comes from his existing with us on a timeline and looking through the corridors of time and space to merely foresee what will come to pass. Is God that small? Is he that finite? Is he stuck in time with a crystal ball looking to see...

When is "BEFORE" ? How can something be 'before' if time has yet to be created. You seem to impose your own finite time based logic upon an infinite God. Or God's knowledge is not like yours would be if you had a crystal ball and some supplies to build a house that you foresaw in your crystal...

Don't you mean: "To choose freely means to choose what God determined that you would want?" Your statement above is meaningless in a deterministic world view because there is NO distinction between what the man wants and what God wants. That is the problem with your view, on the one hand...