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These points have all been asked and answered:

I quoted God and held it up next to your view. Enough said. I think it means he is perfectly Holy and sinless and would never come up with (originate) reprehensible ideas like molesting children, or the evil being spoken of here. You think he not only came up with it (thought of it before...

Luke's View: God unchangeably determined that they do this detestable thing... God's View: It didn't even enter my mind, that they should do such a detestable thing. And you don't see the problem? Hmmmm :godisgood:

Then why do you say that 'God does it' (God does all things) and then attempt to say that it is okay because he does it for the right reasons? That contradicts James, and even your own words above. You can claim to disagree with my interpretations of the text and you can claim to disagree with...

All good points. Determinism paints this forum as God sitting in his room with a sock puppet on each hand making them argue over which view most glorifies Him. It doesn't glorify Him, it makes Him divided against himself as He determines his children to hold to views contradictory to each...

I've never said God cannot see time in a linear fashion. Please don't even try to restate my views. Quote directly from me or link to my post, but don't attempt to restate it, PLEASE. I really don't want people thinking I believe the things you say I believe. Which is the view of 'bare...

God speaking, states: They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molech, though I never commanded, nor did it enter my mind, that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin. -Jer. 32:35

Don't you mean 'determined for men to sin...and determined the tempter to tempt,' after all you are a hard determinist Luke. I'm sure when James was writing that he was thinking to himself, "God determines all sin and all temptations to unchangeably happen just as they happen, but I'll just...

The last quote was from the previous post, so you simply are incorrect. And saying that you don't engage in ad hom in the same post that you are engaging in it doesn't help your case much, especially when it continues afterward as well. :rolleyes: I expect it based on the facts (precedence)...

So, God has to determine you to believe something that isn't true for you to have the motive to respond to me, that's what. Reread the OP.

Just in case you missed some of those verses which suggest that God is not out there making child molesters to molest children: “He is the Rock, His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He.” Deuteronomy 32:4 “There is no one Holy...

That's my point, its not based solely upon 'because I don't like to think that he would.' It is based on the fact that the bible teaches that God is holy, sinless and doesn't even tempt men to sin, much less determine it. I, Winman and others have presented countless verses supporting this...

Ad hom... More ad hom... Yet, thus far that is what you are doing.... To say that I expected you to do exactly what you currently are doing, which is to focus on ad hom instead of the substance? You got me. Both the posts contained ad hom, and it continues...expectedly Willis already told us...

Calling something 'reprehensible' may not be an argument in and of itself, but addressing the origin of that which is reprehensible (the ACTUAL argument being made against your view) is an argument worthy of consideration. You dismiss the latter argument on the basis that the former is not an...

It's not a practical or workable philosophy for life. Men are made into nothing more than causally reflexive creatures debating that which God determined for us to debate while being determined to believe that we might actually affect the outcome, a belief that itself cannot be true in a...

Oh, it was a joke? I didn't pick up on that. Being called a politician, an blatant implication of double speak, doesn't strike me as humorous. Maybe insulting others comes across as funny to you but don't be surprised if the recipient feels differently, okay? I actually have a very good...

Luke, where did the desire to molest originate? It had a beginning somewhere. Was it in the mind of man, which came to inform God; or was it in the mind of God, which he determined for man to do? BTW, even some of those of the Reformed persuasion wouldn't go as far as you do regarding what...

Determinism is certainly untrue because if it were true we shouldn't consider the Determinist's arguments as really being arguments meant to persuade, provoke or convince our wills, but as conditioned reflexes meant to invoke the predetermined outcome. Think about this practically. Why do...

Are you implying my view hasn't been consistent? Would you care to substantiate that accusation or are you the typical drive by insulter?

1. What's weird (but expected) is that you address the personal issues but not the substance of the theological disagreement. 2. Quotes were taken from both posts, where you carried the same 'you lose, but can't handle it' mantra, instead of addressing the content of our disagreement (i.e...