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The only real truth we can know is what God has chosen to reveal. He reveals himself as one who makes choices. If you wish to dismiss that characteristic as to mean, "he doesn't make choices because he already knows what he is going to choose" as if he is stuck on some linear timeline with...

For those of us in time and space, no. The word 'future' is a linear word and only exists in space and time. Have you ever studied the curvature of space and time in Science class? Where they show that an atomic clock that is placed on a jet flying at very high speeds actually travels slower...

For most of Christian history most believers wouldn't have any clue as to what anthropomorphism is, yet they were able to relate to God as He chose to reveal himself. You don't need a degree to understand God's revelation of Himself. He inspired fishermen not philosophers for a reason. He...

I've purposefully refrained from moderating (which simply entails giving infractions and editing posts) posts of those I'm engaging in a debate. My requests to stay on a topic are no more or less 'authoritative' than your when you start a thread and would like to keep things on a particular...

Ok, then why even speak of his foreseeing or foreknowing of something? He never merely foreknows anything in this construct, he determines it. But why speak of God determining anything? He never chooses or determines anything in this construct, it just is. This should cause you great pause...

Here is the thread I replied to. From the first question to the last you presume a linear perspective. You may not realize that you are, but trust me when I say that you are. I've highlighted the linear words to prove it: All of those phrases presume God to be on the linear timeline looking...

But if what your writing is truth and what they wrote was truth and both were equally brought about by God's active working, then on what basis do we, as humanity, declare one to be inspired and the other not? We call it inspired and accept it because of our traditions, but that is based on...

You said 'divine work is isolated from other events' but I never heard how you draw a distinction between them since you seem to continue to maintain they are all under His control? Let me put it this way: In your view the writing of your last post was as much under God's control as the...

Luke, Last time... Your question: "DO you believe that God knew BEFORE he built the universe..." presumes a linear finite perspective. My answer explained that exhaustively and I've been as patient as I can with your belittling and dismissive remarks. I affirmed omniscience while...

Why? Back to the question of the OP, for the determinist: Why do you debate? 1. Do you believe you can change my will or the will of someone reading along? 2. Do you believe that the reason you debate is because God determined you to have the desire to debate? And the only reason I...

Please allow me to address your question by asking you a followup question, as I believe it will shed light on why I have opted for my position on this matter. You said your view is: 3. God acts directly (controls) in all events. (Mine) If this is the case, then what separates the divine...

You make valid points and ask very good questions...questions that get to the heart of this discussion. First, some determinists/compatibilists argue that indeterminists cannot account for certain clear cases of divine intervention throughout history. But, please understand there is nothing...

Case and point....

For those who may be following along... Some people think their worldview is the only possible one that can exist and are unwilling (maybe unable?) to step out from under their own perspective (take off their colored glasses) to openly and objectively consider another perpective. They...

So you don't agree with what I said then? Implication that I'm that I'm boy. How ironically immature of you. We are done Luke.

Not much more that needs to be said as far as my view goes, but at least I've said something, which is more than you can say. Plus, by admitting that my statement is just a rewording of the verse, haven't you just validated that statement as being equally true? Do you agree that the verse...

Funny, I was thinking the same thing when you stopped after the first sentence of a post where I explained in detail my views. You 'yada yada' my post, and now expect me to treat you seriously? Not going to happen. If you'd like to be treated with respect and for me to interact with your...

Indeed, and its what His infinite, omnipresent nature is all about...supernatural and mysterious indeed.

Jerome is rightly pointing out that your reply to Winman was uncharitable while also not completely accurate. There is no reason to imply others are stupid, moronic, dumb, or idiotic because they disagree on some matters of faith. There is no reason to tell other posters they are in over their...