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My view would encompass the ability of foresight, it just doesn't limit Him to that ability as scripture reveals him to be infinite, omnipresent and the eternal I AM, not the "I WILL BE." It's a different perspective, not a lessor one...

Yes it does...hey I like only having to read the first line. It goes much quicker. Let me know when you want to start interacting with entire posts again, otherwise I'll stick to this method. :wavey:

Good, so we agree that those reprehensible things never entered the mind of God. I'm glad we can agree on something. :applause: Now, can you explain how that aligns with your teaching that all things flow from the mind of God as the one who decrees all things that come to pass before time...

Then so did I...

Yes and No. Yes, he knows everything. No, he isn't limited to our linear timeline where he would know it "before" simply because he foresees it as some future uncaused event. His knowledge doesn't rest on foreseeing it, but on his omnipresent infinite nature which is mysterious indeed and...

I agree. I believe he does BOTH. I think He is passive in permitting evil to exist and continue etc, and He is active in ensuring certain redemptive purposes. For example, He actively worked to ensure the inspiration of scriptures. He passively allowed men to sin. I totally agree.

I started in Calvinism and have stepped away from it. Calvinists don't hold a monopoly on the infinite attributes of God. In fact, I'd dare say, my view of God's attributes has heightened dramatically since I've stepped out from under the very limited deterministic model (i.e. 'God has to play...

Winman, I'm not denying God's ability to foresee things (or foretell of what is to come), I'm denying the logical conclusions that some draw based on such a limited view of God's infinite nature. In other words, I don't believe His knowledge is based on mere foresight, as God is revealed to be...

Some seem to think that God's omniscience logically necessitates a deterministic worldview. I find this to be a very small and limiting view of an infinite, omnipotent, mysteriously complex God. I don't have a problem affirming God's omniscience, but I do have a problem with the limitations...

Guys, this is bad. Hundreds read through our threads looking for answers to their theological questions and they have to read this. This doesn't represent us well, as believers, or as participants on this board. Edit your own comments or I'll be forced to do so. Discuss the topic, not each...

I'm refusing to answer for several reasons: 1. You are refusing to answer my questions forcing me to provide an exegesis but not being willing to provide one of your own. No doubt for the purpose of being able to play offense without having to play defense. Good debate tactic, but no dice...

If you'd like to start a thread on the topic of Omniscience I'd be glad to address my views there...

Correct. And that point was established and its over. Let it Go. On ANOTHER point, which this isn't about...If you think someone who won't even affirm soft determinism is 'closer to you' than to me you are self deceived and from everything I've seen thus far have no working knowledge of my...

It didn't enter his mind, right? That detestable thing didn't originate with God, right? We can both ask leading questions Luke but you aren't going to get out of providing your own exegesis of this passage.

Luke, this point of debate going back several pages was NEVER about my view versus Willis' view, or my view versus your view. It was about the difference between Willis' 'bare permission' view (either/or) and your hard deterministic view (both/and). I know you want to confuse that issue with...

Why do you need clarifcation of my view to present your own? This is a discussion. A give and take. I gave my view and now its your turn. I don't like introducing new terms into the discussion (like 'occurred') because they may carry different connotations to each of us. I believe what...

I could not be any more clear about what God said and what I believe he meant. Your turn...or are you unwilling to provide your exegesis of this text?

Luke as much as you want to make this about my speculations regarding omniscience, this is about comparing your view with Willis, as that was the subject of our disagreement... Willis stated clearly... Willis won't even go so far to 'fringe on determinism' and you remain a hard...